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Thread: [Template] Glass Cannon v2.1 Cannon Fodder
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Usbek_Wokei
Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:58 am
#1
I was MLS, MPowers Healer 4040.
Very fun template... 1 vs 1 unbeatable. But in group pvp no chances at all. Lack of force run avoid me from use cloak 
, and healer 4is a must.
Im preCU Jedi.
Sha_Ja
Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:17 am
#2
The whole point of this template was not caring about dying, so running off and cloaking isn't the focus of this template, i'm in a guild war, so i can clone and get pvp right away, this is just a pure PvP template.
rebellious_imp
Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:53 am
#3
I'm thinking about going back to mp mls healer2000 enhancer 3000.
Message Edited by rebellious_imp on 09-08-2005 11:53 AM
WCjtace
Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:54 am
#4
I've got MLS, MPW, 3000 Healer atm, I'm in the middle of a retemplate to 4000 healer and whatever I decide with the rest. I've found I don't need channel force at all, I used to have it, but pvp fights have rarely lasted that long, one side always has the advantage over the other and it ends. If I really need a fast recharge there's always and enhancer around to be a battery for me in group pvp.
vs non-jedi this template is awesome, but by the same token vs jedi things are really complex and it's harder to do as well. In group fights it all evens out as I don't have any problems playing the support role for one of our main battle tanks and picking off those stragglers. But 1v1 I'm not that good yet, with no defense and without 4xxx healer yet it's hard for me to outlast that first burst of power from a MLS. To use powers effectively in a duel there a ton of things to consider, what buffs he has up, sheild, absorb, feedback are killer, if breach worked on what you needed it to, don't hit choke if feeback is up or you're gona die fast.
For me the number one must in this template is 4xxx healer, you have to have the edge of 1500 heals. You need to stay on the offensive with this template and the bigger punch you can get from a single heal the better. I try to avoid healing loops at all costs, if I get into that mode and can't break it, I die fast.
I think I underuse breach, while it's not as effective as I'd like, vs other jedi I really need to utilize this skill much more often.
Usbek_Wokei
Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:55 am
#5
Sha_Ja wrote:
The whole point of this template was not caring about dying, so running off and cloaking isn't the focus of this template, i'm in a guild war, so i can clone and get pvp right away, this is just a pure PvP template.
LOL... Im always SF and always in guild wars.. NSYNC is a guild for that. I talkin about need regen my force.. powers still taking so much man.
Look at this video... so nice crownd control and damage output.
http://www.tdawg-style.com/vids/DYNAMICDUO.wmv
Message Edited by Usbek_Wokei on 09-08-2005 09:01 PM
Sha_Ja
Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:49 pm
#7
Prelude: i have been playing the dark force wielder ever since the CU, i've been pretty happy with it, aside from the defenders, and people who dabble aura, i've been having a great time with it, The template is GREAT if your with a full group, But me being the cannon fodder i suppose little pvp spurts like 5 vs 5 this template works great, very supportive, But when the numbers go down, and its 2 v 2 and 90% of the community having aura at the very least, pvp can get frustrating, i've played every aspect of the DFW from support to full on assault, to downright sneaky bastid. What i find most is that head-on pvp this template lacks the DPS to take people down, so i decided to resurrect the glass cannon, in my own special way, the same way the cannon used to be fun for people who dont care about dying.
Now enough of that, On to the template, this isn't a be all end all to it, its planed to add your own spice to it at the end to offer the flexibility you see fit and this is just a few of the combo's for this template. With the ammount of Defenders and CM healers you need DPS to keep them down and really play support
Glass Cannon as known pre-cu: Master Powers, Master Saber, heal 4/0/0/4 point of this template was DPS and having fun, then defender got beefed and this template all but disappeard.
Glass cannon v2 (cannon fodder): Master Powers, Master Sabers, Heal 3/0/0/0, Enhancer 0/0/0/2, now that is the tweaking part, you can move the 2 levels in enhance to defender, or to heal 4/0/4/0 if you want to keep the original glass cannon.
+ DPS out the ying-yang
+ Melee Attacks along with ranged
+ wide range of attacks
+ ability to take down CM+BH's
- Low Max Force
- No easy way to regain force
- Force Hog
There are plenty of Master Saber guides to pvp so i wont bother there, As for using powers in this template the only thing you'll ever need on your pvp bar is the same things you already have, no more no less (cloak,breech,choke,kd,intim,weaken) throw in a powers attack between every 2 or 3 saber attacks and your dps skyrockets.
Edit: New version, The original (mp mls heal 3/0/0/0 defender 0/0/2/0) version ran out of force and turned useless without channel.
After a good ammount of PvP i've learned that channel is Needed once you run out of force unless you have a ME-Battery you are useless for a while. While defender is nice and those 2 box's can REALLY make a diffrence its not enough considering macro'ed infusion and aura pretty much negate your force regen. The way you run this template is you wait and be a major annoyance. KD,Choke, Armor Break, Power attack, Leg hit, head hit, body hit, rinse and repeat on the attacks, if you have a good saber alone you should be putting a major dent into anybody at this stage, even more so if your group is with you.
Now enough of that, On to the template, this isn't a be all end all to it, its planed to add your own spice to it at the end to offer the flexibility you see fit and this is just a few of the combo's for this template. With the ammount of Defenders and CM healers you need DPS to keep them down and really play support
Glass Cannon as known pre-cu: Master Powers, Master Saber, heal 4/0/0/4 point of this template was DPS and having fun, then defender got beefed and this template all but disappeard.
Glass cannon v2 (cannon fodder): Master Powers, Master Sabers, Heal 3/0/0/0, Enhancer 0/0/0/2, now that is the tweaking part, you can move the 2 levels in enhance to defender, or to heal 4/0/4/0 if you want to keep the original glass cannon.
+ DPS out the ying-yang
+ Melee Attacks along with ranged
+ wide range of attacks
+ ability to take down CM+BH's
- Low Max Force
- No easy way to regain force
- Force Hog
There are plenty of Master Saber guides to pvp so i wont bother there, As for using powers in this template the only thing you'll ever need on your pvp bar is the same things you already have, no more no less (cloak,breech,choke,kd,intim,weaken) throw in a powers attack between every 2 or 3 saber attacks and your dps skyrockets.
Edit: New version, The original (mp mls heal 3/0/0/0 defender 0/0/2/0) version ran out of force and turned useless without channel.
After a good ammount of PvP i've learned that channel is Needed once you run out of force unless you have a ME-Battery you are useless for a while. While defender is nice and those 2 box's can REALLY make a diffrence its not enough considering macro'ed infusion and aura pretty much negate your force regen. The way you run this template is you wait and be a major annoyance. KD,Choke, Armor Break, Power attack, Leg hit, head hit, body hit, rinse and repeat on the attacks, if you have a good saber alone you should be putting a major dent into anybody at this stage, even more so if your group is with you.
Message Edited by Sha_Ja on 09-19-2005 12:21 PM
Message Edited by Sha_Ja on 09-19-2005 12:28 PM
mczx
Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:58 pm
#8
PvP is like sports, defense wins games. If you have no defense, your toast.
_Saevio_
Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:05 am
#10
after hours of staring at a prof calculator, i've actually decided to make this my first template... I'm wondering if you have any suggestions as to combos, which skills to pick up first, and effectiveness vs. mdef/mls & melee/tkm's with this template?
Sha_Ja
Mon Sep 19, 2005 4:37 pm
#11
most of the melee's on my server are Doc/cm/fencer, most of the bh's are BH/rifles/cm so i cant help out to much there besides the fact you can actually keep them very much on their toes. MLS/MD damage wise you put a nice sized dent in them, with the added damage of choke (even in reduced form) its enough to have a good edge on them, or bring you up to par if you dont have a great saber. when i had the jump on a MLS/def 0-0-4-0/enhance 4-0-0-4/heal 4-0-0-0/powers 0-4-0-0 and wrecked him.
As far as combo's i'm using choke, kd, armor break, power attack,intimidate, head hit, body hit, leg hit, in that order, then going into the normal HH,BH,LH rotation applying kd, armor break and choke as needed.
Only thing to remember is since you have low healing and no defences, your not a tank, so dont try to stand toe to toe against 2 people alone.
As far as combo's i'm using choke, kd, armor break, power attack,intimidate, head hit, body hit, leg hit, in that order, then going into the normal HH,BH,LH rotation applying kd, armor break and choke as needed.
Only thing to remember is since you have low healing and no defences, your not a tank, so dont try to stand toe to toe against 2 people alone.
RebelArchAngel
Mon Sep 19, 2005 5:08 pm
#12
Defense... we dont need no stinking defense! MLS/MP/enh 2xx3/nov healer here... i gotta be the craziest foo ever to have no def and 500 heals hehehe... but i love this temp to death... no cloak nerf will stop Dalik!
Sha_Ja
Mon Sep 19, 2005 9:32 pm
#13
Right now i'm going to craft a DBL and a One-hand saber and see which works with this template best, i'm currently using two-hand
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