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Thread: *List of current issues on Jedi VS Bounty Hunter*

elcin
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:08 am
#1

*Copied directly from a post of a friend forum named DaniB*



Yeah, you told me that of CSR-ShaneK yesterday, and i couldnt believe its truth and still cant...


But, do you honestly believe that sh!t of ShaneK?(rhetorical, not meant for Genwa)


I mean common, with such a macroyou are knowingly 'exploiting' an existing game mechanics flaw. You are knowingly exploiting the usual cooldown timer of 3,5 - 4 seconds (it resets in the icon actually!)or even more to about 1-2 seconds. I think either this ShaneK is a complete jerk and has no clue about the definition of exploit or he didnt understand your request. This is the easist exploit to track since you got theinformation and timestampsin combatlog (and server log for sure) and i regret to believe this isnt an exploit!


The balance between BH and Jedi is completely out of whack if you ask me, look down at some numbers:


- usually 7000-8000 energy protection rating on their armor which translates into direct mitigation of 52,5% and 56% respectively at zero longterm costs (like force for force armor for example)


- pretty high melee/ranged defense which further mitigates the damage and causes a miss chance (non defender got 20/20 melee and ranged defense max!)


- 75% ab reduction slice renders the only melee advantage useless! Your only chance to actually deliver some damage beside of getting rooted or snared is completely destroyed through a slice, mind you, as jedi the force and innate armor break down completely! this is a joke


- Extrem good healing at 4000CM which alot if not 95% of the bounty have, not only in Jedi vs BH extremely powerfull, youll never have a chance if you happen to meet a squad of 8 persons with this, they could stand there and spam heals and you wont bring em down, never


- Droids, you cant kill them, can be healed by BACTA, can be BUFFED... nothing more to be said, this one should be made public lol


- with cooldown bypass macros immensive offense with just 4000 rifleman ontop of the already impressive defense


- NO longterm limiting thing like a force bar, all you need to do as bh is break combat for a second, sit down and be back to full mind in seconds and you are back tofight at nearly full effectiveness


- Mediocre Skills are enough to not die against a good jedi playerin such a template, even the moron arround the corner can be more then decent



My conclusion is that i dont believe a good jedi player will have any chance against any template with some heal ability and 75% ab reduction slice who halfwise got a clue whats pvp about.


SOE went to far when nerfing jedi heals and 'balancing' normal heals 50% and more up! (and cut down cooldowns). Now they not only heal alot better then jedi, they even cast their heals just of mind, while the jedi curiously needs mind AND force?!?!




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DaNumpty
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:20 am
#2

This was bound to happen as Armorsmiths got better and better materials. The armor can be as you stated very effective against lightsabers. Typically its not as good as you mentioned though. The heals do make a big difference however. And the so called balance has tipped in favor of non Jedi players for pve as well as pvp. But Jedi can use stims too, along with Ruby Biel to increase our healing abilities.

The balancing (nerfing) will continue for some time to come. But its not as dire as you claim it to be.



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Daelus
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:23 am
#3

Shall we list the BHer side of the agrument too?



On top of all these things they still have a hard time winning.


Nuff said.





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MDBangs
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:26 am
#4

I do not think it really is the healing that the CM's have th at is a problem. I think it's that with Just MBH you have a very good damage output, and you don't need a support profession like rifleman or pistoleer behind it to be effective. Also the armorbreak slice is out of hand. It is just pathetic that the ONE THING a melee class has over a ranged class is armorbreak, and they gave a counter to it? I do not see how this is fair at all, if they make jedi armorbreak useless then they should make BH's root/snares useless vs jedi. The game actually was balanced for pre-cu jedi with good sabers. Now with the armorbreak slice jedi is actually below the strength of a good MBH.
MajesticJester
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:27 am
#5









elcin wrote:


- with cooldown bypass macros immensive offense with just 4000 rifleman ontop of the already impressive defense







dont need any macros to bypass the cooldowns


1 move they got breaks the cooldowns so they can shoot once a sec or even quicker
MDBangs
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:29 am
#6






Daelus wrote:

Shall we list the BHer side of the agrument too?



On top of all these things they still have a hard time winning.


Nuff said.








BH side of the arguement? Are you fricken kidding me dude? I was a MBH before the CU and loved it, I dropped it for pikeman after the CU because I thought it was that over powered. Now you guys can run around as a little respec MBH/MCM and kill nearly any full templated jedi with an armorbreak slice. FYI jedi are suppose to be 1.5x stronger, not EQUAL in power.


Nuff said.


Message Edited by MDBangs on 09-10-2005 10:30 AM

DaniB
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:32 am
#7

that post of mine was meant on the fact that more ppl, bounty hunter in special (caus of specials used), are using cooldown bypass macros and in combination with the already outstanding defenses of a MBH/MCM template its a complete joke.


A guildmate of mine then personally talked to a CSR, and that gamemaster, named CSR-ShaneK tried to implicite that those certain cooldown bypass macros(if there isnt already the exploit in the term) arent an EXPLOIT. Now this can only be a big muffy cake...


Daelus
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:35 am
#8






MDBangs wrote:






Daelus wrote:

Shall we list the BHer side of the agrument too?



On top of all these things they still have a hard time winning.


Nuff said.








BH side of the arguement? Are you fricken kidding me dude? I was a MBH before the CU and loved it, I dropped it for pikeman after the CU because I thought it was that over powered. Now you guys can run around as a little respec MBH/MCM and kill nearly any full templated jedi with an armorbreak slice. FYI jedi are suppose to be 1.5x stronger, not EQUAL in power.


Nuff said.



Message Edited by MDBangs on 09-10-2005 10:30 AM




I am a jedi thank you very much. And jedi are not 1.5x more powerful, wake up and smell the rain of excrement.



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MDBangs
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:40 am
#9






Daelus wrote:





MDBangs wrote:






Daelus wrote:

Shall we list the BHer side of the agrument too?



On top of all these things they still have a hard time winning.


Nuff said.








BH side of the arguement? Are you fricken kidding me dude? I was a MBH before the CU and loved it, I dropped it for pikeman after the CU because I thought it was that over powered. Now you guys can run around as a little respec MBH/MCM and kill nearly any full templated jedi with an armorbreak slice. FYI jedi are suppose to be 1.5x stronger, not EQUAL in power.


Nuff said.



Message Edited by MDBangs on 09-10-2005 10:30 AM




I am a jedi thank you very much. And jedi are not 1.5x more powerful, wake up and smell the rain of excrement.





I do not care what you say, you know deep down jedi is suppose to be 1.5x stronger. Also it's hard to believe your a jedi when you bring up the BH's side of the arguement, when you are a jedi. BH has to be the second strongest profession out there enxt to CM of course. Yet you continute to protect the BH profession when it is over powered as it is. Whatever you ovbiously have never fought a MBH/MCM they do not have a hard time winning. I would say a good 80% of the jedi have aura or force armor, or both. A MCM only has to run them out of force then when they can not activate aura or keep FA running they can kill the jedi very easily.
Daelus
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:46 am
#10






MDBangs wrote:





Daelus wrote:





MDBangs wrote:






Daelus wrote:

Shall we list the BHer side of the agrument too?



On top of all these things they still have a hard time winning.


Nuff said.








BH side of the arguement? Are you fricken kidding me dude? I was a MBH before the CU and loved it, I dropped it for pikeman after the CU because I thought it was that over powered. Now you guys can run around as a little respec MBH/MCM and kill nearly any full templated jedi with an armorbreak slice. FYI jedi are suppose to be 1.5x stronger, not EQUAL in power.


Nuff said.



Message Edited by MDBangs on 09-10-2005 10:30 AM




I am a jedi thank you very much. And jedi are not 1.5x more powerful, wake up and smell the rain of excrement.





I do not care what you say, you know deep down jedi is suppose to be 1.5x stronger. Also it's hard to believe your a jedi when you bring up the BH's side of the arguement, when you are a jedi. BH has to be the second strongest profession out there enxt to CM of course. Yet you continute to protect the BH profession when it is over powered as it is. Whatever you ovbiously have never fought a MBH/MCM they do not have a hard time winning. I would say a good 80% of the jedi have aura or force armor, or both. A MCM only has to run them out of force then when they can not activate aura or keep FA running they can kill the jedi very easily.





You assume much. Since I've picked up this template, I've lost to a BHer once, while afk. I have fought master CM bounty hunters, master rifleman bhers, and all sorts. Believe it or not, mbh/mcm have the lowest offense of all BHer templates, in fact so low... that powers jedi are the things they generally fear most, cause choke tears them up. I'm sorry if you can't do it, but it can be done.


I fought a CM bher for over 10 mins, and at the end I still had about 50% force. Resource management people, thats what it is all about.



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DaniB
Sat Sep 10, 2005 7:50 am
#11

oh yes i forgot, ressource managment... well, against a decent mbh/mcm youll waste at least 50% if not alot more force just to hit him and make him heal some (with a good saber), thatdoesnt mean that enemy is on 0% mindand doesnt shoting back.If you wouldhave lookedatthefirst post of the thread you would have read its about cooldown bypass macros, which instantly pushes the mcm/mbh/4000rifleman08/15standart template to a kinetic damage 2second advanced critical shot spam monster. I wouldcall this OFFENSE!



Message Edited by DaniB on 09-10-2005 07:51 AM

Daelus
Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:13 am
#12






DaniB wrote:

oh yes i forgot, ressource managment... well, against a decent mbh/mcm youll waste at least 50% if not alot more force just to hit him and make him heal some (with a good saber), thatdoesnt mean that enemy is on 0% mindand doesnt shoting back.If you wouldhave lookedatthefirst post of the thread you would have read its about cooldown bypass macros, which instantly pushes the mcm/mbh/4000rifleman08/15standart template to a kinetic damage 2second advanced critical shot spam monster. I wouldcall this OFFENSE!




Message Edited by DaniB on 09-10-200507:51 AM





I know how to bypass cooldowns, I know BHers can do it, I know how to do it myself, but I do not do it. And to be honest with Aura and valor up they can go ahead and spam critical shot all day and it still will barely hit hard enough to get past infusion ticks. Not every bounty hunter is an exploiter. Not every jedi can beat every bounty hunter.


Stop crying, your wasting tissues.





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DaniB
Sat Sep 10, 2005 8:20 am
#13

That you are not using that kind of exploits is not an excuse for those who do. And if there is only 3 bountyhunters doin it, its 3 to many think about that. There are certain bounty hunters which cut the edge, which are twice as good as the rest and those are using everything possible to them. There is a reason why MCM's have such a cheap life for example, those questionable thingies ontop make it even more shifting into their direction.
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