Items And Loot Archive
Thread: Krayt and Acklay weapons. Just say no.
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Robren911
Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:09 am
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First let me start by saying I have a Master Smuggler and also a vendor for resale of sliced weapons. So I spent quite a bit of time searching for affordable vendors and staring at/ comparing their products. The truth is sometimes a weaponsmith can make an amazing weapon with tissues or bones. But in most cases they are only slightly better than things crafted with high quality generic materials. So choose carefully as a new player.
Under the current system which is due to change, the Smuggler no no control over the outcome of the slice. And the weapon is generally only as good as the slice. So why pay 60k for a Krayt Modified Republic Blaster, when you can buy 5 Modified Republic Blasters for the same price? You then have a 5-1 chance of coming out with a better weapon after the slices. You end up with a pistol, often times a solid back up and a couple to sell off that many times will recoup the cost of your purchase.
So before you drop a fortune just because the title says Acklay Power Hammer, compare the stats. If it has 500 base dmg and the regular old 5k generic PH has 469 max dmg, I can assure you that buying25 of those cheapo hammers and having them sliced, you will end up with a much better sliced weapon that with the Acklay. Not to mention you'll have stock to sell off. 25 chances at one great success versus one chance. Pretty simple math. Of course this is subject to change after the revamp but as it currently is, don't let the brand names cause you to spend a fortune in "most" cases.
KyridIce
Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:34 am
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Generally, base acklay and base krayt modded weapons are indeed a waste of time. But when you start playing with the high end loot, you'll find that a T21 made with +100 tissues or a PH made with 150-200 bones is worth taking a risk on. With ADKs, if you get a great slice, your weapon will be insured for life and you won't need to buy a new one ever.
mastertruth
Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:37 am
#3
so true!
I have been playing for almost 2 years and have yet to figure out why someone would spend 20 mil on a power hammer that give 20 points max damage more than one that is much cheeper.
there are some weapons, legandary and such loot with DOT's that might be worth more but weapons are way over priced for the most part un sliced.
thanks
Robren911
Va-Mei
Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:22 am
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As a weaponsmith, I have to agree 100%; if your playing on a budget stick to stock weapons, especialy with rifles & heavy swords and even more so for players who are not speed capped. A MasterSmuggler has the possibility to get weapon slices as high as 35%(rare) improvement in either speed or damage, and will usualy charge 10k or less for doing the job.
Using 6 base krayt tissues for a DX6Rb will addabout 8% to the damage of the weapon vs one made without.
Adding11 base tissues($$cha-ching$$) to a T-21, will add 7% to the max damage.
Base Acklay bones will add about 5% to a Power Hammer's max damage, but will slow the hammer down by .6 sec and pull at least 10 pts from the range mods.
A Scythe with +20 agents & +20 yellow cubes will be about 6% better than one made with base agents & yellow cubes, and only 11% better than one made with white cubes & no agents.
Base Nym motors will add 13% to a VK's max damage.
I have yet to see a master slicer get less than an 18% improvement on a weapon. About 1/4 to 1/3 of those slices have been damage range slices. Percentage improvements have been all over the map, but seem to mostly fall in the low to mid 20s. If you look at the cost of the loot enhancements vs the cost of 10 or more base weapons, you'll see that it's more cost effective to hand your slicer a crate of well crafted base weapons, than to hand him one enhanced weapon while you pray for the big damage slice. I can't speak to other servers or other shops, but 100k in my shop will have you walking out with 20 or more of any factory built TK, Fencer orSwordsman weapon (sorry Pikemen, those LVLs & LVAs do take quite a bit of material to make).
On the other hand....
When dealing with weapons that are naturaly very fast or have very low max damages, enhancements begin to make far larger percentage improvements. Using Gorax for a striker pistol, Acklay for a stun baton, Krayt for a DL44 or Geo cubes/agents for a 1H Curvedofferbig percentage improvements over base stats, and may improve DPS by 30% or more; and it's a guarenteed improvement where slicing is always a chance.
Andthen there's the power player. The guy who has money to burn, and the best is almost good enough. For them, only a T21 using high stat Krayt and a 30+% damage slice will work. These are the players who drive the prices of the enhancements market. More power to them, they pay my bills. /bow3
Message Edited by Va-Mei on 03-15-2005 08:29 AM
testify4
Tue Mar 15, 2005 10:58 am
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Va-Mei wrote:As a weaponsmith, I have to agree 100%; if your playing on a budget stick to stock weapons, especialy with rifles & heavy swords and even more so for players who are not speed capped. A Master Smuggler has the possibility to get weapon slices as high as 35%(rare) improvement in either speed or damage, and will usualy charge 10k or less for doing the job.... If you look at the cost of the loot enhancements vs the cost of 10 or more base weapons, you'll see that it's more cost effective to hand your slicer a crate of well crafted base weapons, than to hand him one enhanced weapon while you pray for the big damage slice. I can't speak to other servers or other shops, but 100k in my shop will have you walking out with 20 or more of any factory built TK, Fencer or Swordsman weapon (sorry Pikemen, those LVLs & LVAs do take quite a bit of material to make).
Well said! As a longtime slicer, I have seen too many grumbles after a slice on a great Power Hammer, T21, or Geo. As a slicer, there is no greater disappointment than a speed slice on a tweaked out Scatter.
Your credits can be well spent picking up a couple well built stock items and seeing where the slice dice lay that day. I like to find a well-stocked vendor that makes good weapons out of quality material (with good speed and low HAM!) and keep buying and slicing until I get a 30%+ damage slice.
Unless you need that extra edge in PvP, need to own a spawn, or just like the satisfaction of knowing you own a legendary weapon, you can get a really good value with Va-Mei's advice! (And I won't have to sweat as I attempt a slice on your 5 minute old DE-10!
)Always check your DPS!
Rence
Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:04 am
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People need to remember to buy the weapon that suits their needs.
Me, I'm grinding xp. I don't need a 400 max damage gaffi priced at 1.5 mil credits. I did find a WS selling crates of 223 max damage gaffis for 250k.
OOJ-Zero
Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:00 pm
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um..when you can show me a non acklay hammer that gets sliced up to 900 max dmg, I'll listen, but until then I'll stick with my acklay thx
mastertruth
Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:10 pm
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ohh nice brag OJ-zilch, maybe you should read agian to get the point!
Va-Mei
Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:29 pm
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OOJ-Zero wrote:
um..when you can show me a non acklay hammer that gets sliced up to 900 max dmg, I'll listen, but until then I'll stick with my acklay thx
... and that would place you in my power player catagory. You have mony to burn, and the best is only good enough until you can get better, and the credit value of your next purchase is "Whatever it takes..." While you are most welcome to pay whatever it takes to get those prized bones, andthe Smiths & Slicers will always welcome your business, this thread was not really geard to a player of your caliber.
The common player who thinks they're wealthy to have 500k or a million in the bank, would do far better to avoid loot enhanced weapons. Odds are, if they do spend their hard earned cash on a mildly enhanced weapon andgivethat one weaponto a slicer, they would have come away with a better weapon by handing that slicer a case of run of the mill weapons.
Take a Nym VK as an example. If aTKM spends 75-150k on a single VK and gets a speed slice, what does he have? A realy fast VK that does 167 damage. Great, he was already speed capped. Take 75k, and buy 25 of my Adv VKs, odds are pretty good he'll have a 30% damage slice and a 191 damage VK, plus a load of back-ups. If he gets a 14% damage slice on one weapon, he'll have a better one than the speed sliced Nym.
Do the math on a standard Stocked T-21...One player pays600k creditsfor base tissuesand getsone 440 damage weapon to get sliced,another player uses that 600k to buytwenty 410 damage weapons. After slicing, who is likely to have the best weapon?
Message Edited by Va-Mei on 03-15-2005 11:36 AM
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