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SeraphDauthi

Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:37 am

EditorsNote: Before I start, remember to keep a broader term perspective on things and thinkof things in the long term. This will allow you to gain perspecitve and insight into what I am trying to convey. Also this was originally posted in the Jedi Forums by me so please excuse the redundancy. Thanks.

When the CU came out, the Devs as stated in the Holocron initially decided that ADKs could not be used on lightsabers so that our precious pearls and crystals would decay. The idea is that the amount of above average tuned pearls and crystals would be relatively stable and constant in the long run, as older ones eventually decayed and new ones would be introduced into the system both via loot drops and great tunes. In response, the Jedi community protested and contested this course of action. Naturally, the Devs folded and allowed the continued use of ADK's on lightsabers in order to quell the uproar.

Shortly thereafter, high end m0bs were eventually refitted so that their loot would be comparable to their level of difficulty. As a result, what were high level m0bs were dropped in difficulty so that the best we could loot were average pearls/crystals.

I think that these two events are related and the fact that high end loot no longer exists is because of the fact that most lightsabers have ADKs. The use of an ADK on a lightsaber in effect prevents supply of above average tuned pearls/crystals from leaving the system. This is problematic in the long run ifnew lootis added to a "capped" system of no decay so that the supply of above average tuned pearls and crystals is expanding.This is the main problem with professions like architect and tailor since there is no decay so that thereongoing profession isrendered uselesssince there is a lack of need for repeat business. In the long run since its just a matter of time and opportunities that a Jedi will have access to both an ADK and an above average tune if given enough chances, Jedi will have overpowering lightsabers in relation to other professions. More importantly, there would be little differentiation of lightsabers since everyone will have above average pearls and crystals. It is apparent that this is something that the Devs do not want since balance has been the main directive and theme as evident by the CU and its subsequent publishes.

I think the Devs want to have a fair dispersion of both above average and below average lightsabers so that there is some level of differentiation within the system. This vision coupled with the widespread use of ADKs is the main reason why we no longer have access to high end loot and why premiums and flawless crystals are no longer made available. Therefore the drops are not "broken" as the Devs elluded to and to what many believe.

Having said this, is this the right course of action in the long term for Jedi and the healthiness of the game? Absolutely not since players like people in real life, never settle for what is given to them and accept being average. This is why players time and time again, farm for pearls/loot, SEAs, and legendary loot so that we could always improve and allow us to differentiate ourselves from the rest of the pack. This tendency in the game is similar to why people in real life love "get rich schemes", to gamble at casinos, and to play the lottery.

I think the Devs need to find a better solution in naturally getting pearls and crystals to leave the system while allowing us to use an ADK on our sabers. In addition, the Devs need to allow us to introduce new pearls and crystals so that we can have hopes of being above the average and allow us to keep us playing and interested. One solution is to give Jedi a choice in how to have both ADKs and getting rid of above average pearls. I was thinking that if a Jedi was defeated at either the hands of a Bounty Hunter or in the Force Rank System, they could trade a pearl or crystal in order to lessen or prevent the penalty of xp loss and Force Ranking, respectively. If they choose not to give up their pearl as "a sacrificial lamb" so to speak, they would experience the normal penalty of whatever that itis at the time. Obviously, this isnt an absolute solution that doesnt have its shortfalls but is some idea of how we can have the best of both worlds of an ADK and some form of decay. A system like this would allow the Devs to open the "flood gates" by re-initroducing premiums and flawless pearls/crystals to drop and allow us to acquire them which is half the fun.

In summary, the fact that loot drops are"broken" and no longer available is considered as working as intended. This willprevailuntil the Devs can figure out a way to make everyone happy so that we could use ADKs and allow a way for above average tuned pearls to exit the system. Until then, do not expect for a "fix" to come anytime soon.

My $0.02 credits.

Seraph'D/Azrael'D/Erinye'D/Promethios - Former Gorathian and BA Guildleader

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MarlonB

Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:41 am

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Remove ADK's from the game ... and start dropping decent loot again ....
Problem fixed .

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I8TheWorm

Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:44 am

#3

MarlonB wrote:
Remove ADK's from the game ... and start dropping decent loot again ....
Problem fixed .

/agreed

However, lately SOE's "fixes" are merely bypassing code i.e. BF removed from the game rather than fixing LOS issues.

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SeraphDauthi

Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:52 am

#4

MarlonB wrote:
Remove ADK's from the game ... and start dropping decent loot again ....
Problem fixed .

the Devs tried that and people went nuts over it.

no one likes not having choices especially when something is taken away from them. give them a choice or incentive and people will have an easier time accepting it since their is a clear cut cost and benefit to them.

Seraph'D/Azrael'D/Erinye'D/Promethios - Former Gorathian and BA Guildleader

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Schadwe13

Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:06 am

#5

MarlonB wrote:
Remove ADK's from the game ... and start dropping decent loot again ....
Problem fixed .

No.

Just because Jedi want to be all Uberness doesn't mean the rest of the community should suffer.

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MarlonB

Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:08 am

#6

Schadwe13 wrote:

MarlonB wrote:
Remove ADK's from the game ... and start dropping decent loot again ....
Problem fixed .

No.

Just because Jedi want to be all Uberness doesn't mean the rest of the community should suffer.

to narrowminded ... it affects not only jedi ....

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Schadwe13

Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:14 am

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MarlonB wrote:

Schadwe13 wrote:

MarlonB wrote:
Remove ADK's from the game ... and start dropping decent loot again ....
Problem fixed .

No.

Just because Jedi want to be all Uberness doesn't mean the rest of the community should suffer.

to narrowminded ... it affects not only jedi ....

No it doesn't. This discusstion was about ADKs Vs. High end Perls. Getting rid of ADKs just so the Jedi can have their perls is narrowminded.

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MarlonB

Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:16 am

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Jedi's getting pearls is an important part of the game, and has always been until adk's showed up ....
And it also affects people like me, who make a living out of looting and selling them ...no.

Anyone here that still goes after good loots ? ... anyone bothers ?? no ... because you can adk your best weapon .. and you will never have to loot, or buy a new one again .... also the crafters get a shaft with this ...

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Physkoris

Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:45 am

#9

I'm so glad the devs thought about this before releasing the ADK's..

Because now what are they going to do.. Take away the only good vet reward to the loyal players? Yeah right..

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Schadwe13

Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:58 pm

#10

MarlonB wrote:
Jedi's getting pearls is an important part of the game, and has always been until adk's showed up ....
And it also affects people like me, who make a living out of looting and selling them ...no.

Anyone here that still goes after good loots ? ... anyone bothers ?? no ... because you can adk your best weapon .. and you will never have to loot, or buy a new one again .... also the crafters get a shaft with this ...

Once again, it is only a SMALL fraction of the playres that hunt perls to sell to Jedi (most hunt for their OWN Jedi). If you do that, then it will effect you. I still hunt GDK, Krayts, etc. for skins and stuff and I've yet to see a dip in the selling of those items (my guild hunts every Friday evening). They are gone almost as soon as I put them up for sale. To base your hunting on one item is just asking for trouble. I've been making money hunting now in the same amountas before ADKs were available.

As for ADKs hurting the economy...doubtful. You can still see people selling their high end wares (Krayted weapons, layered armor, etc) for the same high prices on the boards and vendors as before, and they all sell quickly! Considering how many items can be ADKed on your toon (10 pieces of armor for one suit and at least 2 weapons), and the fact that each vet will get one ADK (not bought), there is no way this will or has effected commerce. Sure, there will be some uber peeps that buy 10+ ADKs, have all weapons and armor ADKed and never need to buy anymore crafted items, but they are VERY few. Don't know about you but I don't know many people with over 100Mil in credits that can just wistfully spend on 10+ ADKs. In my guild of 50, maybe 5 can do this or even CHOOSE to do this. And where do the ADKs come from that these power player buy from??? Well, other players, of course! Those players then DO NOT have ADKs and hence become buyers again.

You may have seen a dip in the amount of people selling weapons and armor, but that is soley based on the fact that alot of vets have left after the CU. I knew a few MWS that quit right after. THAT was what hurt my selling of loot, not the loss of high quality perls. I've adapted, though.

Yes, the Devs did remark that they regreted releasing ADKs on the populace, but that was a knee-j3rk [stupid profanity filter]reaction to all the instant complaining that was going on. First people complained that Jedi were too powerful by ADKing their sabers, then when they could not ADK sabers the Jedi complained, then SOE let Jedi ADK sabers but removed high quality perls. This has beenthe downward spiral that the Devs regret which prompted the remark.

No...the sky is not falling.

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MarlonB

Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:20 pm

#11

Valid points ...

I also noticed the drop in bazar and vendors .... and the "big" spenders on these forums ....

Still .... i think adk should never have been introduced, now that it is here, you can't take it away ...

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Schadwe13

Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:32 pm

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Hope i didn't come across as too brash, bro.

I've seen a big dip in the number of sellers sellers too. I attributedthat to thelovely CU. And even though I love my ADK (you'll have to pry it outta my cold, dead hands, hehe), yea Iagree that they are a bit too powerful to be just giveaways.

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diff-edge

Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:51 pm

#13

Also take into account that melee profs almost have to go tkm. Which is killing the armor smith industry. Armor costs so much to make now that I cant keep up with it. I go through a chestplate in a week tops. That is 400k min to replace and that is not even top of the line. I cant afford it. So i hope to get an Adk for my chestplate and replace the other parts as i can afford them. Now that is roughtly 45 chestplates that i will not be buying this year.

Now back to the jedi... they need no armor and no weapons if they have an adk. The only thing they buy now is food. why not make the pearls and crystals unaffected by adks? That way we wont see any jedi anymore unless we go to tat.

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