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Thread: Mind buff crystals Dev's do they work?
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Dariane_Kamutsovy
Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:54 am
#14
DaxHerder wrote:
People have tested this it does not work. Mind does not regen faster with it, and at half mind using it does not increase mind. So whats there to argue about? You guys think that maybe it might have a hidden effect??doubt it.. theres more broken things than easter eggs in this game.
Again you don't READ what the crystal says when examining.
It acts the same as HEALTH crystal:
* it does not REGEN
* it adds to existing pool
IF you use health crystal when you're halfdead, you'll still be half dead.
It's not a magical xxx-heal, where xxx=health or mind!
It adds to the MAX health/mind you can have, it does not regenerate nor replenish.
If you think the mind crystal is bugged, because it's not regenerating mind, or not refilling _and_ increasing max mind when you're almost dead, then please do report the health crystal being bugged to, because that one acts exactly the same way.
Stecoli
Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:06 pm
#15
If that was true, if you do bactashot and it uses 10% mind when mind was 1000/1000, surely if your mind went to 1900/1900 and you use bactashot it would use 9% mind or 8%, and it doesnt it still uses 10% so there is no change.
Ardelis
Fri Oct 28, 2005 11:42 am
#16
People have tested this it does not work. Mind does not regen faster with it, and at half mind using it does not increase mind. So whats there to argue about? You guys think that maybe it might have a hidden effect??doubt it.. theres more broken things than easter eggs in this game.
If it is working properly, your Mind bar should appear to regen slower, appear to..........
If your mind pool was 1000 before buff, and 1900 after, then it takes a lot more time to regen back up to 1900, since this buff does not effect the regen rate, it is the same regen rate as before trying to recover a much larger pool.
On the contrary, you will also appear to lose mind at a slower rate if your just watching your blue meter.
WarrbaccaGorath
Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:19 pm
#17
DaxHerder wrote:
People have tested this it does not work. Mind does not regen faster with it, and at half mind using it does not increase mind. So whats there to argue about? You guys think that maybe it might have a hidden effect??doubt it.. theres more broken things than easter eggs in this game.
People who are claiming it adds to existing mind pool (1000/1000 -> 1900/1900, eg) LISTEN UP.
Hypothetically, IF you have half mind and use an effect that increases your TOTAL MIND, you get one of two things:
a) The effect adds only to the total and does not add to amount in the pool (such as padawan robes for jedi - the bar has to regen the +250 when you equip it). This is clearly not the case because using the crystal at 100% keeps the pool at 100%, mmkay?
b) The effect adds to both the total and the amount in the pool (such as with spice or food adding to health pool).
Because a) is not the case, b) must be.
So clearly IF the crystal adds to the existing mind pool, using the crystal at half mind would show an increase to your mind pool. Try taking spice when you have half health if you don't understand... for those seeking further clarification, see below:
It can be proven mathematically, but I don't think that's necessary- just understand that 500/1000 and 1400/1900 are NOT equivalent ratios and extrapolate from there if you want to believe the mind value is 2000 or 5000 baseor even higher. ((I should probably also point out that as the basemind value increases towards infinity, the +900 effect does become closer and closer to reaching an equivalent ratio, but themechanicbecomes closer and closer to uselessness, so the pointis moot...))
Ardelis
Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:36 pm
#18
It would be benificial to find out what the pool numbers are in the first place, obvi
WarrbaccaGorath
Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:45 pm
#19
true... but if there's no noticeable change in mind bar when the effect is activated at half mind, do we really care?
Personally I have no clue what this crystal does. Just what it doesn't do. 
Morwen
Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:47 pm
#20
Ulrek_Oden wrote:
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
Klam wrote:
It dont work since CU coz now Mind is about percent% and before it used to be number so +900 Mind Buff dont stick on HAM... Broken thing tho.
Wrong.
They add to *mind!
And mind internally might be added with 900, when it's 100% is just means a full mind .
So: if it is normal 1000 with crystal it will be 1900.
50% of mind without crystal: 500
50% of mind with cyrstal: 950
Has anyone tested this?
Namely use the focuse crystal and use an action that takes mind and see how many times it can be done... Then do the same without the crystal...
It would still be useless even if it added a million to mind sincehealing seems to be set to cost a % of mind, not a fixed number.
Vastar
Fri Oct 28, 2005 9:44 pm
#21
Morwen wrote:
Ulrek_Oden wrote:
Dariane_Kamutsovy wrote:
Klam wrote:
It dont work since CU coz now Mind is about percent% and before it used to be number so +900 Mind Buff dont stick on HAM... Broken thing tho.
Wrong.They add to *mind!And mind internally might be added with 900, when it's 100% is just means a full mind .So: if it is normal 1000 with crystal it will be 1900.50% of mind without crystal: 50050% of mind with cyrstal: 950
Has anyone tested this?
Namely use the focuse crystal and use an action that takes mind and see how many times it can be done... Then do the same without the crystal...
It would still be useless even if it added a million to mind since healing seems to be set to cost a % of mind, not a fixed number.
Are you saying it's a % of total mind or current mind pool?
Ardelis
Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:50 am
#22
Well, picking one up tonight, I will test this, here is the test I will perform:
1) Area healing on a macro with CM, healing at even intervals, I will count how many I can perform before running out of mind.
2) Regen mind, use crystal, perform 1) and recount.
3) Post results here................
Snap crackle pop............
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