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Thread: Loot Revamp... Nyax vs Corellian Corvette.

Conure123
Sun Jan 30, 2005 11:22 am
#14

Absolutely great idea, 5 starred...Let's hope the devs take note
Spinnthrift
Sun Jan 30, 2005 12:52 pm
#15






ObiQuixote wrote:
The corvette is instanced, good loot there that’s easy to get means a loot factory. That’s the problem with instanced dungeons and loot, Good loot has to be gated in some way and with instanced dungeons the only way do that is super hard mobs like SBD’s.

If anyone could spawn themselves a krayt what would happen? Poor weapon smiths would have to make every gun by hand because there would be so much tissue that krayted guns would be the only thing people would use.

The way lord nyx is now is it’s not gated by inhuman super mobs, but by only spawning in one place and competition from other players.






Several good points - however the people who can farm there - can farm there while ignoring the droids. Players have been begging for instanced dungeons and with loot. While it will make SEA's about as rare as loot kit pieces, it will stop the strangleholds many guilds are putting on their individual servers.


Perhaps - yes, if players could spawn a krayt instantly (please note - you have to get the tickets first, sometimes a trip to Geo or a cruise round Fort Tusken or NS Forced Labour Camp - all time consuming,means you have to spent at least an hour getting them on average before you go up there) after going hunting for a method to spawn said krayt instantly for an hour they would. Many more prefer walking into the POI's and going whee - krayt and killing it and the two spawns afterwards.


Notice how the Krayt population has increased of late? Many WS's are making many more Krayt'd weapons and they're loving it... finally able to have a mess around playing with things they could never afford and for a while being better than they way. Killing Krayt still takes the same people who killed Krayt before, just there's a lot less hostility and killstealing now (I've seen DJK's ignoring Krayt spawns for pearls when Rebs were attacking it because they know they can find another really soon). Well, at least from most people, those who insist on doing it on Chimaera will remain unnamed.


Nyax is camped by people who's behaviour is antisocial and denies content to others. We've had one guild alone on Chimaera camp the spawn solid for 48 hours at the last count. If places like the Vette were able to draw others away, there would be less enmity towards a bunch of afk looters who've monopolised a spawn.


For the majority of players, the Corvette is a challenge (i.e. hard). You can't afk macro up there, bleeds (if stuck) will kill you no matter how good your 90% base armour is. For the majority farming it for AV's, they don't enter combat. They run around peaced all the time (I know, I was one till I realised how cool a place it is to fight).


Do you see complaints on the WS forums about the Krayt tissues and Gorax shards being upped? I just checked and there were some complaints about stuff not being comparable to the tissues and shards, and how fangs are broken (HAM cost reduction) but the improved availability for these items is a good thing. I wouldn't hesistate to say that decreasing the campability of SEA's would be good too.




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Alboin
Sun Jan 30, 2005 2:23 pm
#16

5 stars for you...


IMO good idea would be toadd loot to the'vette and leave Nyax as it is now. Because IMO rarity of some SEA is unreasonable. Why 2h speed or WS experimentation must be rare? Rare loot must be top of the line weapons,which crafters can't make, collector items and such - not simple SEA. Let them farm Nyax and add few such more - in 2 weeks prices for SEA will be so low they won't farm it anymore.


And...


Devs stated with the start of the loot revamp: "Basically, loot should be relative to the level of the NPC so that the reward makes sense. For instance, killing an NPC named Razor whose title is Dark Lord of the Universe should not result in a loot item that is a CDEF pistol. Killing a thug who's barely strong enough to hold the rifle he's carrying should not result in a phat loot item that is as good as a top-of-the-line T-21 rifle".


This did not become true as we all know. Although "killing a thug" like works fine - you will never loot top-of-the-line T-21 from a thug, but you never did.



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Mothr
Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:57 am
#17

5* post


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Mothr
Mon Jan 31, 2005 7:59 am
#18


5* post


The vette is one of the coolest places in swg, a place that needs a team based effort to succeed, now I've done it more times than I can count, I still enjoy it occasionaly, but it desperately needs some new loot.


I want to loot one of those nasty guns they are carrying up there, guns that goes right through you





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Geechie_Dan
Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:04 am
#19

All Poi's should be instanced imo, but it will never happen

so your idea is much better
BobaFleck
Tue Feb 01, 2005 8:56 am
#20

I think instancing is a band-aid over the real problem: More mobs need to drop good, great, and uber loot.

For instance, if they instanced Nyax right now, a LOT of players would spend all their time doing... Nyax instances. A much better long-term solution is to give "endgame" players more stuff to do, and that includes more places to go hunt where the loot is appropriate to the challenge.



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SanRa_Ledav
Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:06 am
#21

5* Post

Toss the SBD's on the vette out the airlock, and from the game while the devs are at it.
They dont belong in the game at this time.



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Giftmacher
Tue Feb 01, 2005 9:17 am
#22

/agrees whole heartedly


I'll join people in 5 staring this one.


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Milgram
Tue Feb 01, 2005 11:53 am
#23

You are totaly right. I would love to see something like this happen. It appears to be the perfect solution to the problem. Nyax defenently is not.




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dezi
Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:51 pm
#24

5*'s for you bud. I feel the same way. The Vette has huge potential. But then so does everything else in this game.....
WarlordRhawn
Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:20 am
#25






ObiQuixote wrote:
The corvette is instanced, good loot there that’s easy to get means a loot factory. That’s the problem with instanced dungeons and loot, Good loot has to be gated in some way and with instanced dungeons the only way do that is super hard mobs like SBD’s.

If anyone could spawn themselves a krayt what would happen? Poor weapon smiths would have to make every gun by hand because there would be so much tissue that krayted guns would be the only thing people would use.

The way lord nyx is now is it’s not gated by inhuman super mobs, but by only spawning in one place and competition from other players.



In case anyone was wondering, this is the guy who was basically saying, Keep Nyax the way he is, a way for the afk camper to get richer. Please view his opinion in that light, he wants to keep his afk macros going and lord over the universe that way.





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Fingerofthrawn
Fri Feb 18, 2005 9:59 am
#26





WarlordRhawn wrote:





ObiQuixote wrote:
The corvette is instanced, good loot there that’s easy to get means a loot factory. That’s the problem with instanced dungeons and loot, Good loot has to be gated in some way and with instanced dungeons the only way do that is super hard mobs like SBD’s.

If anyone could spawn themselves a krayt what would happen? Poor weapon smiths would have to make every gun by hand because there would be so much tissue that krayted guns would be the only thing people would use.

The way lord nyx is now is it’s not gated by inhuman super mobs, but by only spawning in one place and competition from other players.



In case anyone was wondering, this is the guy who was basically saying, Keep Nyax the way he is, a way for the afk camper to get richer. Please view his opinion in that light, he wants to keep his afk macros going and lord over the universe that way.





Hehe, not quite what I think he's saying- but close enough. First of all, how are masses of heavy-hitting, AR2 and 3, high-HAM mobs that all group together a loot factory, but a little-sisters-of-the-poor knockoff like Nyax isn't? At least if they upped the drops on the Vette, people would be more inclined to group and actually work together, rather than the usual "hire one person to run it and grab the loot and get eveyone badges while everyone else sits in the safe room" that it is now. The Vette IMO was one of the best ideas they've come up with so far, but then people learned they could walk through it in their underwear and hit all the loot spots so they upped the SBD spawns. My solution, either randomize the places that the loot is found up there or gate the loot spots and end missions with a "boss MOB" that has to be defeated to loot the chest or finish the mission.

Competition huh? If you're really interested in competition, go join a faction and get involved in PvP. I agree loot should be competition- but it should be between the player and their group and whatever NPC they are trying to get loot from- NOT between a player/group and an uber loot-wh0r3.

So

/sign

I say up the loot drops on the Vette mobs, reduce the SBD spawns, gate the loot spots with NPCs to prevent farming, and push Nyax's spawn back to it's old 3hr 40 min spawn. That way we don't have to worry about SEAs flooding the market and real hunters- not AFK and uber loot campers- can actually earn their own loot instead of having to pay for it, and the little loot-whor3z can have their competition a little less often.




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