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Thread: Why T21 and not Laser Rifles
Message Edited by DomMantell on 02-22-2005 06:49 PM
DomMantell wrote:
lol, welcome to theItems and LootRiflemanMathematics Forum -Krovikan-
Message Edited by DomMantell on 02-22-2005 06:49 PM
No.. the rifleman forum is more of a:
Question: Can we kill it?
Answer: If we can't it's immortal.
T-21 for teh win... except PvP where it's DXR for teh win, except when they're n00bs (aww bless their little cotton socks) when it's Jawa for teh win. How does that sound instead?
Bermag wrote:
admiraljz wrote:
Also, the higher the % resistance on a PSG, the better the DXR begins to look. The poster quoted a 40% acid Imp PSG. I haven't seen one under 48% in months on Bloodfin, and they can easily be sliced into the 60s. I'd go so far as to say a 60% PSG (and now with anti-decay kits so they don't die) is more common in PvP than the quoted 90% composite armor. It can take ten suits of composite with lucky slices to get one 90% suit, at a cost of millions. An undying 60% PSG can be had for a couple hundred k
Not bashing the poster, but looking at the debate from a different angle. Given the parameters you listed, you're correct, but those aren't always the correct parameters
1) PSG are vulnerable to acid
2) Energy is a special resist on PSG and can not be sliced
/blush
Of course, I knew that. Must not be firing on all cylinders. I stand corrected
Belasarius wrote:
With the combat upgrade all the AP is going out the window.....
Good point but what i think ppl dont seem to realise is that the Cu is at least 2 months off yet, so you should still buy things for now and just think about buying weapons and such when it is a lot of cash. then you have to ask your self can i make this back or do i really need it ect..
Spinnthrift wrote:
Actually - they are mostly wrong, but hey - someone must love you for posting rubbish.
ObiQuixote wrote:
T21 are more consistent but most importantly T21's are heavy armor piercing. Lasers are medium. The heavy AP means that if your attacking something with lighter armor you are actually doing more damage then what you see in your combat window. If you are attacking something with heavier armor then your weapons armor piercing, then you are doing less, sometimes a lot less damage then what you see in your combat window.
All these numbers are rough guess but they are pretty close.
If you’re attacking an AP3 monster with an AP3 weapon and you see 2000 damage in the combat window then you are doing 2000 damage before resists. This is correct.
If you’re attacking an AP3 monster with an AP1 weapon and you see 2000 damage in the combat window you are actually doing close to500 damage before resists.They way Armour works is for every level above the attackers AP you get a 50% reduction. 2000 x 0.5 x 0.5 = 500.
If you’re attacking an AP1 monster with an AP3 weapon and you see 2000 damage in the combat window you are actually doing close to3125 damage before resists. This is because for each level above the defenders armour rating you add an additional 25% to your damage. 2000 x 1.25 x 1.25 = 3125.
So if a rifleman and a TKM both hit an AP3 monster for 2000 in the combat window and the rifleman is using a T21, the actual damage is the rifleman hit for2000 and the TKM hit for 500.
Message Edited by ObiQuixote on 02-19-2005 01:29 PM
Now... knowing this as true... if we take an example of a 100 - 500 damageLaser Rifle and a 180 - 411 damageT-21 (my old T-21 before I got a shiny one, wasn't sliced for damage), assuming both weapons are speed capped... I'll throw in some real world examples.
Axkva Min: Heavy Armour, 35% Energy Resists.
Laser Rifle (AP 2)fires for max damage doing 500 damage. This get's halved by the armour rating of Axkva, so down to 250, which then gets a 35% damage reduction down to 162.5.
T-21 fires doing only half damage dealing 295.5 (mid point between 180 - 411)damage. As it's AP3 it doesn't lose any of it's punch and only suffers Axkva's resists losing another 35% down to 192.075.
Against certain creatures like Nyax and the Acklay (AP2), it *may* be strictly better to use a Laser Rifle over a T-21 - however in the majority of all these cases, the DXR becomes the weapon of choice for dealing damage to them.
And there endeth the lesson.
/bows gracefully.
#Edit# Even I make mistakes, but I corrected it.
P.S. The second reason why the T-21 is the Rifleman's weapon of choice is because the Laser Rifle has a really low minimum damage. The perfect weapon to grind with is a speed sliced and Krayt'd E11 rifle - fully pupped for rapid advancement. It has better accuracy at the closer ranges and fires almost as quickly as a carbine. Ideally though you shouldn't try and grind level rifles on creatures - much better to find a ranged wielding NPC and combat those. This is due to the damage multipliers you suffer as aranged profession.
Message Edited by Spinnthrift on 02-22-2005 08:08 AM
Was just trying to get the general concept across. Can never remember if its .25 .33 .50 per level and which one for up and which on for down andI didn't feel like digging through the forums for the exact numbers.I also thought it unnecessary in this circumstance since the given the general nature of the questionexplaining thegeneral concept would be more helpful then the specific and sometimes confusing rules on how armor and armor piercing works.
I do appreciate your helpfulness in providing the specific numbers, your genorous opinions of my writing and apologize forburdening youwith this poor rubbish laden post.
Message Edited by ObiQuixote on 02-23-2005 07:29 PM
ObiQuixote wrote:
Was just trying to get the general concept across. Can never remember if its .25 .33 .50 per level and which one for up and which on for down andI didn't feel like digging through the forums for the exact numbers.I also thought it unnecessary in this circumstance since the given the general nature of the questionexplaining thegeneral concept would be more helpful then the specific and sometimes confusing rules on how armor and armor piercing works.
I do appreciate your helpfulness in providing the specific numbers, your genorous opinions of my writing and apologize forburdening youwith this poor rubbish laden post.
Message Edited by ObiQuixote on 02-23-2005 07:29 PM
Can everyone please quit being so nice, and civil with one another? It's so un-SWG-like.
ObiQuixote wrote:
I do appreciate your helpfulness in providing the specific numbers, your generous opinions of my writing and apologize forburdening youwith this poor rubbish laden post.
Message Edited by ObiQuixote on 02-23-2005 07:29 PM
Was having a ratty day and was annoyed with your posts inaccuracies. Sorry, it wasn't meant to sound so harsh. If it's any consolation - having a pair of 5* stalkers outweighs a 1* bandit (of which I'm neither), just it was driving me potty. I no doubt will make mistakes in future and await your gentle repose for me when I do.
/tiphat Obi
Night all... need sleep now.