Image Designer Archive
Thread: A question on the forum acceptible use guidelines
Warryyr wrote:
protest "organization" is not welcome on our forums and is strictly against the forum rules.
Message Edited by GarVa on 06-15-200407:23 AM
Warryyr
Aura's Call, Lok
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This doesn't really say anything rule related, but the locked post was in the interests of the Entertainers and we done in a positive manner.
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No infractions here. Heck, eight out of ten of my posts are less civil.
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Again, not a problem. We Entertainer classes have an issue. This pertains to all of us.
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I don't see any issues here...
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Again, no infractions...
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Now here, it basicly says "I will modify your posts if I feel like it." *shrug*
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And then the legal stuff....
Can a mod please explain to me exactly where the problem with this was?
Warryyr wrote:
Make the Devs stop ignoring the Entertainers. We will not be ignored.
So, it's come to this - it's time for us to take some action, form up, unify, and show the Devs and anyone else who will listen that we're tired of our style of gameplay being ignored, and threatened to extinction.
What started this: TH's answer to the Musician question in the 6/10/04 19 questions post:
Musician What force skills will you be implementing for specific advantage to the musician profession? Will they be implemented with the Jedi system, or how soon after? If the answer is "NONE" may we provide a list of suggested skills that would be specific to this profession for developer consideration? The answer is “none”. Please work with NewJedi to develop a reasonable list and I will work with the team to see what is possible and what is not.
It is unacceptable that an elite profession should be completely ignored in the upcoming Jedi revamp. I would imagine that Dancers, Master Entertainers, and Image Designers are in the same boat - no Force Sensitive abilities. I'm not sure if we were forgotten about, or just ignored, but there should have been plans for something to be added content-wise for Entertainers, with the Jedi Revamp. Some examples for Force skills for entertainers, limited to buff improvements:
1) Increased Buff Duration (to match the length of Doc buffs).
2) Increased Buff Strength.
3) Decreased time to apply a buff.
These suggestions have been kicking around for a long time, but as no one from the Dev team seems to know the Entertainer professions' forums exist, we may as well not have discussed them at all. I would imagine that anyone with a limited amount of experience in our professions could have concocted these ideas, if only they spent a minimal amount of time thinking about it. Our correspondents have done a wonderful job at trying to communicate to the Devs that we need attention, to no avail.
Protest details:
Time: starting at 6PM EST on Tuesday June 15th until whenever - and every Tuesday thereafter. Heck, do this whenever you feel like - every day, if you want.
Location: Theed Starport, every server, away from all the merchant barkers.
Details:
Folks should form one big group, or several small groups. Dancers should dance Basic so anyone can join, and Musicians should play Starwars1 (this way any Novice, or folks who want to pick up Novice to join us, can play/dance with us too). Use lighting effects, put on a show. Everyone is invited - Dancer, Musician, Image Designers, Entertainers. Contribute by playing any instrument, dancing any dance, or simply just listen and watch, and chat it up. Have fun!
Doctors and Medics will be needed for healing - tell your healing friends this will be a good chance to get some serious xp from lots of flourishing entertainers! Quickness buffs to let us play longer and flourish like mad would be wonderful, too.
Group leaders should run a /bandflourish macro with decent variety, to keep things lively. All group members should *NOT* flourish or run macros - just do a "/bandflo on" and let the group leader (elect one for Musicians and one for Dancers in your group) take charge of your performance. We want to look professional and organized, and really put on a big show!
Bandflo's reduce xp, but folks, this is not for xp, this is not for heals or tips, this is for the future of our professions.
If you run out of action, just stop playing and wait to heal up. Group leaders, if low on action, should set "/bandflo off" and regain some of their action, to avoid stopping the group. Let the rest of the group keep going, but stop your flourishing for the good of the group's performance.
Keep comments constructive, to the likes of "We're not AFK, and we're not NPC's, we need attention from the Devs right now" or "Our professions need attention, too - stop ignoring the entertainers!" "Real Entertainers - we're not just for buffing, we actually *play* this game!" "I want Force Sensitive skills to buff faster, longer, and better!" Keep things as positive as possible, I know we've been frustrated for awhile, but too much negativity might turn off folks who could be willing to take our side in the matter.
Be prepared for negative comments towards us. "Get back in the cantina" and such. Most people totally agree with our problems with our professions, and we have their complete support, but some could care less. Do not satisfy them with a response. Jot their name down in your /notepad and decide later whether you want to provide your services to them. Who knows, maybe we'll get a lot more support than we think. Maybe people will listen and watch, and be interested in our cause. I'm sure many will.
Send emails to Warryyr on Starsider with any comments or questions.
Let's get the Entertainer professions in this game back into shape. Our style of gameplay is in serious trouble, and we're treated like we don't exist. We are not a priority to the Devs, and they haven't expressed anything to suggest otherwise. We have had very little additions in regards to content, improvements, and bug fixes(though the Image Designers got a little love recently, even they have some serious issues with their revamp that have yet to be resolved). We need to fit into this game, we need to have a purpose, we need things fixed that have been malfunctioning for a long time (like Entertainer buffs).
Let's stop getting ignored, and get some real attention/content/respect from the Devs -that we can take an active part in developing. Let's inform the playerbase that we're not all AFK'ers. That we care about our style of gameplay. We may not be able to buff or heal outside of a cantina (throw that in as a comment in Spatial maybe - "i'd love to buff and heal you, but buffing outside of the cantina is just one of many suggestions to improve our professions that have been completely ignored by the Devs"). But, we can still perform and put on a great show!
These protests should continue every Tuesday (or whenever the mood strikes you all) until some resemblance of attention to the problems with our professions is given. We need some solid word, not placating comments, that action will be taken by the Devs to improve/fix/enhance our professions.
Thank you for your time, now get out to Theed Starport on Tuesday nights, and let's start the Jam for an Entertainer Revamp!
Message Edited by Just_Bri on 06-15-2004 09:37 PM