Image Designer Archive

Thread: Some ideas I had for IDs from a Non-ID

FuschiaD
Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:46 pm
#14






Barfalomue wrote:



Um...paintings are made from looted schematics.








Yes... by architects.

Looted schematics are still profession-specific. It's not like anyone who picks one up can make them.

I'm sure your intention was honorable, if misguided... but let's face it, you're not going to get a favorable reaction from ANYONE by waltzing into their forums, announcing "I've never tried your profession" and then telling us that we are useless (or seemingly useless) and declaring that you have the answers to make us 'fun'. No, we don't appreciate it. No, your post was not welcome. As I said before... you need to TRY a profession before you declare it invalid. You'd be surprised how much fun we have, I think. I was a master doctor and dropped it to go back to being an image designer. And right now, it's pretty much the only thing still holding me in the game.

Now then, I suggest you do exactly as you previously proposed, and go elsewhere with this type of post. Not that I think you'll be any more welcome there.




~*~ F U S C H I A D A R K W A L K E R ~*~
Yes, I'm a respec Jedi. Get over it.
~*~ A V A D I H A L O N A - S O E P ~*~
Entertainer For Life - COMPNOR Eye Candy

"You don't really rank around here unless you've been flamed by Oben, trolled by Mono, set straight by Geen, got caught in a love triangle between Cherry and Anoq, had your house decorated by Kipera, hugged by Esin, fondled by Fuschia, had IG respond with something inane and nonsensical, or at the very least been (a.) asked "can I have your stuff" or (b.) been accused of being a Todd by any number of random Tarquinian posters." --TalonKarrdeTN/Tyndaleon


Miyca
Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:08 am
#15

Your certainly didn't earn any brownie points by starting off calling us "useless". All of us (if I may be so bold) love what we do. We don't do it because it does or does not play a vital part in the game style. We do it because it's fun, occasionally profitable, and is something that needs to be done. People come to us because they WANT to not because they have to. And we like it that way. Much easier to deal with a person who is there by choice than a person who is there by force.



~Rashida Ge'So ne X'arron~
Barfalomue
Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:10 am
#16






FuschiaD wrote:



Yes... by architects.

Looted schematics are still profession-specific. It's not like anyone who picks one up can make them.

I'm sure your intention was honorable, if misguided... but let's face it, you're not going to get a favorable reaction from ANYONE by waltzing into their forums, announcing "I've never tried your profession" and then telling us that we are useless (or seemingly useless) and declaring that you have the answers to make us 'fun'. No, we don't appreciate it. No, your post was not welcome. As I said before... you need to TRY a profession before you declare it invalid. You'd be surprised how much fun we have, I think. I was a master doctor and dropped it to go back to being an image designer. And right now, it's pretty much the only thing still holding me in the game.

Now then, I suggest you do exactly as you previously proposed, and go elsewhere with this type of post. Not that I think you'll be any more welcome there.



This is a big reason why this game is lacking in quality content. Everytime an outsider comes in and though may have stated something in error, but has good intentions, they are pushed away by that community. So I said some things that were not all Care Beary...is it one line that decides your approval of an individual? If you judge people by one or two things they may say which you don't like, then you are small and close minded. Individuals who can not get passed one statement are bound for failure in whatever it is they are doing. And so what if I didn't try your profession?? This game is a co-player supported game. Wouldn't it be better for the outside community to come in and say: "This is how your profession could help me." In the DE forum, I welcome outsiders with open arms. I enjoy seeing people come in and put forth their support for our profession. I enjoy getting ideas on what my customers may want. I am a DE. I have no idea what good I could plausibly be to a TKA. So, they come in and say things that could possibly make them better using our droids and giving ideas for tasks that our droids could perform to suppliment their profession.


As far as the schematics...Well, I have looted painting schematics and have been able to stick them in my factory and make them. I am not an architect. Perhaps it is a bug. But I figured because of this it was usable by anyone. Or perhaps it is useable by Artisans, I am an Artisan also.


One of your profession's members came to the DE forum. Because of that, the DEVs are talking about making a module for Image Designers which would show kind of a holographic or similar type of thing showing the finished product of your styling before the customer actually accepts it. That was not a DE idea. That was originated from an ID.


Anyway, good luck with your profession.





__________________________________________________________
~Aspi, Tempest, Master Droid Engineer-Master Artisan-Master Merchant-Master Pistoleer Retiree~Vendors-JaxBay Tent Mall
~~~Wearer of Sword of Opinion (+20 to pucker factor attack)~~~
~~"Is that a cookie in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"~~
Sir_Voor
Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:39 am
#17

HI Barfalomue


Just to let you know a little forum history that may help you understand where some of the posters are coming from. Not that long ago Runesabre, Lead Designer Star Wars Galaxies posted





1) What critical function can Image Designers perform in SWG?

2) How canyou and I accomplish adding this function while preserving the unique playstyle of the Image Designer?




http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=image_designer&message.id=9383&highlight=#M9383


This made a lot of us unhappy, becuase we feel we allready have a "critical function" and feared this would lead to forced IDs or a combat role. and your "mostly useless" statement is sort of how I feel the devs WAS looking at us, I think we convence them otherwise.


IDers are a very friendly group, but when we hear we are not critical/useless it hits a nerv.


Happy game







[`M Sir VOOR N`\

mh307
Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:14 am
#18

its not that you came and said it it is how you came and said it



if i came over to the de boards and said;


"hey since you guys can only make crappy droids that are way worse that ch and be creatures and thus are useless i think you guys should have droids that dance in a cantina so that i dont have to always find a dancer because they are also useless"


while i dont believe a letter of what i just said its about the same as you put which is basicaly;


"your prof sucks so lets steal the skills of another prof and give them to you so that you guys suck less and are less usefull because my play style is the only correct playstyle and if you dont make my gaming experieince alot better you are garbage"



and we are judging you by our replies you may be a very nice, if misguided, individual. we were judging the poor way in which your ideas were put forth.


dont take it too hard it is just how it is


you come to a prof board clueless and say your piece in an objectional and hurtful manner you invite this sort of response.


-Biana





Onikojuno__N__[ONE SEXY ZABRAK]
ABK Correspondent
Spammer Trash Talker Man Wh0re

www.TKC-Community.net
Barfalomue
Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:44 am
#19


ONE LINE! One line I said you were "seemingly useless" With the word "seemingly,"That statement in of itselfdeclares myunderstanding of my own lack of knowledge.


And, many people have come to the DE forums and declared our droids useless and our profession a joke. Most replies to that are "it is the DEVs fault, they do not hold up to their word. Thank you for your support." We know people are not lashing out at us forthe content or lack thereof in our profession. Someone even said that today in the DE forum.


As far as stealing from other professions, my ideas would have not done that on a great scale. Paintings. Hmm...Architects have tons of items they craft. I doubt paintings would take much of their business. As far as the other ideas. They were suppliments to other professions. The idea with the garden design. They would still have their basic schematics. My idea would have allowed customization from an ID and then take that schematic to an Architect to build. That in no way is theft.That is promoting multi-player support. As far as the dying of clothing/armor. I don't feel this would lessen the market for Tailors/armorsmiths. Currently we can color our composite armor. I have not seen personally this hinder the purchase of composite armor in the least bit. People still look for other styles of clothing, better stat armor. Things get destroyed and need replaced. If you fill up the sockets in the clothing with skill tapes and decide to change professions, you still need to buy more clothing to use other profession's skill tapes. People will still buy clothing/armor for friends and/or newbie players. Most of the time when I have a certain type of clothing and just want it a different color, I can rarely find a vendor with that particular piece of clothing, much less in the color I want and know is available.


Other than those things, my ideas in no way interfered with any other professions. The other ideas are thingswhich do not exist in this game. Interior designs which translate into a blueprint for automatic furniture layout? Nothing stolen. Painting the walls of a house/building for someone? Nothing stolen. Adding a guild patch to my clothing/armor? Nothing stolen.


SoI still am unable to see your complaint of this idea of stealing from other professions.


Besides. The DEVs are so intent on this "Combat Balance" thing. Why not come up with a balance for the non-combat professions so that they are somewhat equally useful? Is this asking anything more than to be fair?



__________________________________________________________
~Aspi, Tempest, Master Droid Engineer-Master Artisan-Master Merchant-Master Pistoleer Retiree~Vendors-JaxBay Tent Mall
~~~Wearer of Sword of Opinion (+20 to pucker factor attack)~~~
~~"Is that a cookie in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"~~
mh307
Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:13 pm
#20

that is exactly why i 1stared ya


for coming here clueless and badmouthing a profession i love



if you said "hey i got an idea to make image design even better.... tell me what you think"


i would not have starred ya


and if it was a good thought that hasnt been said 80times i would have even 5stared ya


dont worry bout the 1star it doesnt realy do much


just take it as a "be more considerate next time award"


-Biana





Onikojuno__N__[ONE SEXY ZABRAK]
ABK Correspondent
Spammer Trash Talker Man Wh0re

www.TKC-Community.net
FuschiaD
Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:46 pm
#21

It might be an artisan thing. At any rate, it's not just anyone, I know that much. Looted schematics are profession-specific.

I'm getting increasingly frustrated at your inability to comprehend our point of view here. We don't have a problem with someone making a respectful post, something along the lines of "I would enjoy seeing this implemented" or whatever. In fact, when I saw the title of your thread I was excited, because we always enjoy getting feedback from potential customers. But your actual post was a slap in the face to all serious image designers. I mean, it boils down to this: you don't want to be bothered with actually TRYING the profession we love so much and work so hard on, but you're still arrogant enough to assume that you don't HAVE to try our profession to think you know all the answers.

I'll recap, in case I haven't made myself crystal-clear:
1) We are not useless, and we do not appreciate being told that we are. And, it doesn't matter if it was "only one line." You still told us we're a useless profession, and that's not going to endear you to anyone.

2) If you have not taken the time to try our profession, do not deign to come into OUR forum and tell us what's wrong with it and how YOU have all the answers for making it 'fun'.

3) We do not want to take away from any other profession, which is why the idea of ID's doing paintings and such has always been shot down. We HAVE professions already in the game who can do this kind of thing. We don't like to step on anyone's toes.

4) We would prefer to see our primary functions fleshed out and realized before we attempt to add any other functions to being an Image Designer.





~*~ F U S C H I A D A R K W A L K E R ~*~
Yes, I'm a respec Jedi. Get over it.
~*~ A V A D I H A L O N A - S O E P ~*~
Entertainer For Life - COMPNOR Eye Candy

"You don't really rank around here unless you've been flamed by Oben, trolled by Mono, set straight by Geen, got caught in a love triangle between Cherry and Anoq, had your house decorated by Kipera, hugged by Esin, fondled by Fuschia, had IG respond with something inane and nonsensical, or at the very least been (a.) asked "can I have your stuff" or (b.) been accused of being a Todd by any number of random Tarquinian posters." --TalonKarrdeTN/Tyndaleon


mh307
Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:51 pm
#22






FuschiaD wrote:

It might be an artisan thing. At any rate, it's not just anyone, I know that much. Looted schematics are profession-specific.

I'm getting increasingly frustrated at your inability to comprehend our point of view here. We don't have a problem with someone making a respectful post, something along the lines of "I would enjoy seeing this implemented" or whatever. In fact, when I saw the title of your thread I was excited, because we always enjoy getting feedback from potential customers. But your actual post was a slap in the face to all serious image designers. I mean, it boils down to this: you don't want to be bothered with actually TRYING the profession we love so much and work so hard on, but you're still arrogant enough to assume that you don't HAVE to try our profession to think you know all the answers.

I'll recap, in case I haven't made myself crystal-clear:
1) We are not useless, and we do not appreciate being told that we are. And, it doesn't matter if it was "only one line." You still told us we're a useless profession, and that's not going to endear you to anyone.

2) If you have not taken the time to try our profession, do not deign to come into OUR forum and tell us what's wrong with it and how YOU have all the answers for making it 'fun'.

3) We do not want to take away from any other profession, which is why the idea of ID's doing paintings and such has always been shot down. We HAVE professions already in the game who can do this kind of thing. We don't like to step on anyone's toes.

4) We would prefer to see our primary functions fleshed out and realized before we attempt to add any other functions to being an Image Designer.









fuschia is my new best friend)


couldnt get logged in and you hit all my points exactly)


-Biana




Onikojuno__N__[ONE SEXY ZABRAK]
ABK Correspondent
Spammer Trash Talker Man Wh0re

www.TKC-Community.net
Barfalomue
Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:05 pm
#23

OK, I have apologized a few times here for my lack of respect for your profession. Why do you keep lagging it on and on? I never said I had all the answers. I never said I knew fully your profession. I simply was trying to support your profession with some of my own ideas. I am sorry if I didn't live up to your standards. You all know more about ID than I do. I know that. You know that. Why must you continue to rant me for that one word I used? I have never seen any profession community on the forums herereject ideas for expanding that profession as you have done here. OK, take out the "stepping on toes" if you don't like those. I can accept that. What about the other ideas? What about dying the color of my furniture. Architects can not produce different colored furniture, it is a set color. What about the idea of the auto-furniture layout? What about the idea for being able to paint the walls of the house? I can get passed our differences if you can. Are you willing and able? Can we turn this thread into a productive Image Designer concept thread? Or do we continue to degrade one another and turn the moderators off from us all?



__________________________________________________________
~Aspi, Tempest, Master Droid Engineer-Master Artisan-Master Merchant-Master Pistoleer Retiree~Vendors-JaxBay Tent Mall
~~~Wearer of Sword of Opinion (+20 to pucker factor attack)~~~
~~"Is that a cookie in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"~~
mh307
Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:15 pm
#24

well for any color changes of crafted items for a profession i think that professsion should be able to do so


id rather see archetects get the ability to color furniture(something they have been asking for for months) than for us to get it


i apreciate your ideas on how to give us more content but we need stand alone content


if i wqas an archetect and found out they gave funi colorization to another prof i would be mondo pissed


here are a few ideas that have come up that are very image designish

also to note mostimage designers dont want any ability outside the changing of how people look department


faction tatoos(with and without stat bonuses)

over creation hieght wieght etc(ie 10% taller than max creation)

hip and butt being a different mod than wieght(makes a more curvy woman)

facial mods that differentiate men from woman

image design building(lowered mind cost, different skills, animations)

camoflaging body paint

factional disguising

lowering tef time

speeding up stat migration

more hair colors and styles

etc


we have discussed many of these heavily


those were all yes or high probability maybes within the community


-Biana



Onikojuno__N__[ONE SEXY ZABRAK]
ABK Correspondent
Spammer Trash Talker Man Wh0re

www.TKC-Community.net
Barfalomue
Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:25 pm
#25

Ok, so refining my ideas.


How about customizable guild crests turned into tatoos? These would be customizable by the guild leader and could be retrieved from the guild terminal by guild members. They retrieve a schemtic of sorts from the guild terminal. Then they go to an Image Designer who then tatoos it on a shoulder, chest or back.





__________________________________________________________
~Aspi, Tempest, Master Droid Engineer-Master Artisan-Master Merchant-Master Pistoleer Retiree~Vendors-JaxBay Tent Mall
~~~Wearer of Sword of Opinion (+20 to pucker factor attack)~~~
~~"Is that a cookie in your pocket or are you happy to see me?"~~
mh307
Fri Apr 09, 2004 7:08 pm
#26

that actualy sounds like a very good idea


-Biana





Onikojuno__N__[ONE SEXY ZABRAK]
ABK Correspondent
Spammer Trash Talker Man Wh0re

www.TKC-Community.net
Page 2 of 3