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Thread: Is this legal?

BalexSlicer
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:10 am
#1

I heard that players were using client side hacks <I say hacks for lack of a better word> to change the way their avatar appearered to them. It only appears on their screen and in no way does it effect others. What I want to know is: Is this legal? Is this a bannable offense? Thanks all.

CptCox
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:18 am
#2

If it's Client Side ONLY and doesnt affect anyone's game play in any fashion, then I would have to say no, but it's still iffy.

SOE discourages players from modifying their game files because the file may become corrupt making a re-install neccesarry.



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Xyber_Hex
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:19 am
#3

To be technical yes, it is a violation because you are altering the software.


But if for some reason you HAVE to look like Boba Fett that badly to get your willy feeling silly then I don't think they will send the SOE mafia to your house.






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BalexSlicer
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:22 am
#4

LoL Thank you. I'm tempted to try it but I won't.

PostingAsIntended
Mon Mar 01, 2004 9:32 am
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It is "Legal", in that there is no criminal law against it. It is against the SOE EULA to "reverse engineer or otherwise alter" the software, which is exactly what these people are doing. Incidently, that would be referred to as a "Mod", not a "Hack". I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.. it is no different than using a different interface skin, as it affects no one.


There is nothing you can do with SWG that "breaks the law", except maybe internet stalking or some form of sexual harrasment that the SWG software can help you do (by chatting with someone and getting their name, or something). Breach of contract (the EULA) is just that - a breach of contract. The "penalty" for breaking the EULA contract is that SOE, at THEIR discression (not the District Attorny's office), can cancel your subscription with no reimburstment of pre-paid time.


If you choose to use a 3rd party macro tool to "cheat". SOE can cancel your account. They cannot, however, call the cops and say, "arrest those cheaters! They broke the EULA!"



Craphamster
Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:34 am
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It is "Legal", in that there is no criminal law against it. It is against the SOE EULA to "reverse engineer or otherwise alter" the software, which is exactly what these people are doing. Incidently, that would be referred to as a "Mod", not a "Hack". I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.. it is no different than using a different interface skin, as it affects no one.




There are provisions against reverse engineering of computer software included in copyright law, at least here in the UK... as for other countries though, I couldn't say.



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GarVa
Mon Mar 01, 2004 11:37 am
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This is not something that is permitted or encouraged.





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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:43 pm Post subject:

If you guys look in the article 7875 in the knowledge base you will find out that after dying once your mission goes down to 25k for a few days. Well I died twice today, and they both lost me 213k xp each. The dev's told me that the system is operating properly, but according to the knowledge base it says otherwise. I want to know, is that fraud? Also the developers are descriminating against the jedi in this game. I thought descimination against a certain group was illegal. Do any of those laws apply online, and in a game? Also isn't it a form of harassment when some jerk wont leave you alone because they want some fake credits, or just to grief you cuz you're jedi and they aren't? SOE, I didn't start playing this game to go through all of this, sure I don't mind dying and losing xp, but the system is not working properly, and because of that I'm not making any progress in the game. If I can die and make up the points than I would be fine with that system but it isn't working. Since it isn't working I'm constantly harassed by every bounty hunter on the server because they are too weak to fight anyone else. Further more I would like some input by others who may know the legalities of this, because it may be a game, but I'm paying for it, and am not getting the fun that SOE promised for.
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:






Biffhammer wrote:

If you guys look in the article 7875 in the knowledge base you will find out that after dying once your mission goes down to 25k for a few days. Well I died twice today, and they both lost me 213k xp each. The dev's told me that the system is operating properly, but according to the knowledge base it says otherwise. I want to know, is that fraud? Also the developers are descriminating against the jedi in this game. I thought descimination against a certain group was illegal. Do any of those laws apply online, and in a game? Also isn't it a form of harassment when some jerk wont leave you alone because they want some fake credits, or just to grief you cuz you're jedi and they aren't? SOE, I didn't start playing this game to go through all of this, sure I don't mind dying and losing xp, but the system is not working properly, and because of that I'm not making any progress in the game. If I can die and make up the points than I would be fine with that system but it isn't working. Since it isn't working I'm constantly harassed by every bounty hunter on the server because they are too weak to fight anyone else. Further more I would like some input by others who may know the legalities of this, because it may be a game, but I'm paying for it, and am not getting the fun that SOE promised for.





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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:

This is their game not your's. They can discriminate against whatever profession they want. It's their intellectual property.



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject:

well if you are worth 213k i assume you are still grinding, and hence probably using respec to your advantage to get knight far faster then intended, and by doing that, your bounty will not go down. If i assume incorrectly, i have no idea why it didn't drop



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject:






liger08 wrote:





Biffhammer wrote:

If you guys look in the article 7875 in the knowledge base you will find out that after dying once your mission goes down to 25k for a few days. Well I died twice today, and they both lost me 213k xp each. The dev's told me that the system is operating properly, but according to the knowledge base it says otherwise. I want to know, is that fraud? Also the developers are descriminating against the jedi in this game. I thought descimination against a certain group was illegal. Do any of those laws apply online, and in a game? Also isn't it a form of harassment when some jerk wont leave you alone because they want some fake credits, or just to grief you cuz you're jedi and they aren't? SOE, I didn't start playing this game to go through all of this, sure I don't mind dying and losing xp, but the system is not working properly, and because of that I'm not making any progress in the game. If I can die and make up the points than I would be fine with that system but it isn't working. Since it isn't working I'm constantly harassed by every bounty hunter on the server because they are too weak to fight anyone else. Further more I would like some input by others who may know the legalities of this, because it may be a game, but I'm paying for it, and am not getting the fun that SOE promised for.





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Can I second that motion, I mean if this is real how about you read the thing you press accept to everytime you play swg its called the "terms of agreement", it basicly protects them from things like this.



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject:

Roflmao!!!



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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:51 pm Post subject:

hmmmm..dont get on the terms?
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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2005 7:56 pm Post subject:

of course I'm a respec jedi lol, but I am not exploiting the system so get over that. Besides I havn't respec'd for few days anyways, my mission payout is correct, but the system isn't working correctly by makig the payout to 25k after I die, it clearly states in their knowledge base that that's how it works. It maybe their intellectual property, but it damned well work according to how they describe it, or else it is fraud. Intellectual property does not mean they have the right to desriminate against certain groups, law is law, why they would be exempt from that is beyond me.
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Jmasta-hibe
Tue May 24, 2005 8:00 pm
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hmm, I smell an ebay jedi


*edit*


Or is this a joke?? :shifty:

Message Edited by Jmasta-hibe on 05-24-2005 08:01 PM



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kefka1138
Tue May 24, 2005 8:01 pm
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i dont know about all of that but if i remember correctly once a bh kills you, the player killed no longer has visibility. now i got nuked the other day as i withdrew to my house i found another bh on my door step. no if i hadnt cracked my stick or used any powers how could i be back on the terms moments after loosing my life? the devs tell me the system is working perfectly but unless they re-wrote it for jedis to be constantly on the terminals, which it seems thats how it works now, i just dont know what the hell is going on.



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AcimEriga
Tue May 24, 2005 11:24 pm
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Gah, look guys, Tanks and sonG are working this issue to death. Keep this post bumped for a while, so they have a chance to see it. Tanks even has a post floating in here asking for all the info you can provide, so they can determine if this is intended or not.


Usually, it turns out that group grinding is putting paddies on the terms faster than us Bh can kill them, but sometimes, its not.


ViRuSVX9
Tue May 24, 2005 11:28 pm
#11

dunno but when i was grinding i did not get reduced death penalty nor did i not have lack of a pve death penalty......the new paddies are so whinny




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Tue May 24, 2005 11:29 pm
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Biffhammer wrote:
of course I'm a respec jedi lol, but I am not exploiting the system so get over that. Besides I havn't respec'd for few days anyways, my mission payout is correct, but the system isn't working correctly by makig the payout to 25k after I die, it clearly states in their knowledge base that that's how it works. It maybe their intellectual property, but it damned well work according to how they describe it, or else it is fraud. Intellectual property does not mean they have the right to desriminate against certain groups, law is law, why they would be exempt from that is beyond me.





this is a very old bug.....instead of days it is usually less than 3 hours before you will be at top price again if you are back on the boards.....and if you think they can be sued for bugs in a game you need a better lawyer lol



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daz007
Tue May 24, 2005 11:38 pm
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as far as I know and it has been for some time, your mission will drop t o 25k for 1 hour only. at least that was the case when I killed a friend to spilt the credits twice.




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