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Thread: All I Know for sure is Buffs hurt This GAME!!!
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Belasarius
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:25 pm
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I have been here since launch......and ever since the stupid super buffs were put in, the game has succckkkeedd royalllllyyyy!!!!!! Im so mad right now! I remember when there were no buffs and going out and fighting a bantha or cupa was a challenge even at master...and you could forget about killing a frickin Krayat without 20 peps and the out come would still be uncertain. The game was fun back in the day...it actually ment something to master a profession......and then the super buffs came along. A person could solo just about anything on one buff...and a person could master a profession in a few days...stupid, stupid, stupid decision to bring those into the game. Whoever did should be fired...anyways...all this CU crap is unecessary...just take away the buffs.
sorry for the rant..just had to vent!
sorry for the rant..just had to vent!
Message Edited by Belasarius on 04-12-2005 12:33 PM
Message Edited by Belasarius on 04-12-2005 03:28 PM
Mallize
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:28 pm
#2
Belasarius wrote:
I have been here since launch......and ever since the stupid super buffs were put in, the game has succckkkeedd royalllllyyyy!!!!!! Im so mad right now! I remember when there were no buffs and going out and fighting a bantha or cupa was a challenge even at master...and you could forget about killing a frickin Krayat without 20 peps and the out come would still be uncertain. The game was fun back in the day...it actually ment something to master a profession......and then the super buffs came along. A person could solo just about anything on one buff...and a person could master a profession in a few days...stupid, stupid, stupid decision to bring those into the game. Whoever did should be fired...anyways...all this CU crap is unecessary...just take away the buffs.
I remember those days. Grouping was fun and it helped you level up quicker. The current game allows you to level just as fast in a 'solo group' or grouped with a ATST. I think the CU is over kill. I'm not sure what it will be like now. It's more FORCED grouping than making grouping more fun and beneficial.
Kyodor
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:45 pm
#3
Mallizewrote:
I think the CU is over kill
QFE.
The CU seems to be more about punishing you if you're not in a group, rather than rewarding you for being in a group. SWG seems to have slid right across the spectrum to FFXI. From solo - madness to group - madness.
Anyone played FFXI? It would be OK if it didn't take a eternity to find a group which wouldn't disband within 5 minutes, and if you didn't get hit by a mini - nerf bat when you tried to solo.
All of SW's patches seem to be a bit drastic and extreme - if someone asks for a small boost in something, it suddenly flies out of control, and they spend another few months trying to create a solution, then over - nerf it.
I'd wonder how many people would actually prefer a rollback to release SWG/Beta SWG compared to the CU...
The CU seems to be more about punishing you if you're not in a group, rather than rewarding you for being in a group. SWG seems to have slid right across the spectrum to FFXI. From solo - madness to group - madness.
Anyone played FFXI? It would be OK if it didn't take a eternity to find a group which wouldn't disband within 5 minutes, and if you didn't get hit by a mini - nerf bat when you tried to solo.
All of SW's patches seem to be a bit drastic and extreme - if someone asks for a small boost in something, it suddenly flies out of control, and they spend another few months trying to create a solution, then over - nerf it.
I'd wonder how many people would actually prefer a rollback to release SWG/Beta SWG compared to the CU...
Belasarius
Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:48 pm
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I'd wonder how many people would actually prefer a rollback to release SWG/Beta SWG compared to the CU...
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I would take a roll back in a heart beat over the CU......
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I would take a roll back in a heart beat over the CU......
HunterforBounty
Mon Apr 11, 2005 5:38 pm
#5
I would love a rollback more than anything else, i've also been here since before day 1 and imo the beginning of the game was 1000 times better than now.
Taking hours to run somewhere, life in Anchorhead where there were raids every couple minutes, who remembers the tusken exploit? lol good times
Wakeskater21
Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:08 pm
#6
AHHH REMEMBER WHEN YOU HAD TO RUN ALL THE WAY TO JABBAS PALACE!!!
Aikai
Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:02 pm
#7
.. right
Who is stoping you from grouping up with these "UBAR BUFFZ"? No one said you have to solo a krayt.
Who is forcing you to get a buff and go level? When you try to go out and level without buffs do you get fine?
Let someone choose how they want to play. If they want to group up with some people of their skill level, fine let them.
If they want to get a buff and powerlevel in composite armor, fine let them.
Stop telling people how to play. The CU is a total failure. People who are still supporting the CU say "Don't worry its still in testing
they'll fix it". I can see past simple bugs and problems that are in, I can see what will be changed and what will not be changed. Small
bugs, will be changed. Removal of the level system, will not happen. If the CU isn't complete by May, it will still be released.
I am by no means a powergamer, I can remember grouping up with people going out and killing things unbuffed. Making camps to heal.
I have also gotten buffed and killed quenkers and things for xp. I am not saying anything. I think that our buffs, composite armor, DoTs, and
jedi are just fine the way they are.
Let them play how they want to play.
Who is stoping you from grouping up with these "UBAR BUFFZ"? No one said you have to solo a krayt.
Who is forcing you to get a buff and go level? When you try to go out and level without buffs do you get fine?
Let someone choose how they want to play. If they want to group up with some people of their skill level, fine let them.
If they want to get a buff and powerlevel in composite armor, fine let them.
Stop telling people how to play. The CU is a total failure. People who are still supporting the CU say "Don't worry its still in testing
they'll fix it". I can see past simple bugs and problems that are in, I can see what will be changed and what will not be changed. Small
bugs, will be changed. Removal of the level system, will not happen. If the CU isn't complete by May, it will still be released.
I am by no means a powergamer, I can remember grouping up with people going out and killing things unbuffed. Making camps to heal.
I have also gotten buffed and killed quenkers and things for xp. I am not saying anything. I think that our buffs, composite armor, DoTs, and
jedi are just fine the way they are.
Let them play how they want to play.
diepa
Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:51 am
#8
Aikai wrote:
.. right
Who is stoping you from grouping up with these "UBAR BUFFZ"? No one said you have to solo a krayt.
Who is forcing you to get a buff and go level? When you try to go out and level without buffs do you get fine?
Let someone choose how they want to play. If they want to group up with some people of their skill level, fine let them.
If they want to get a buff and powerlevel in composite armor, fine let them.
Stop telling people how to play. The CU is a total failure. People who are still supporting the CU say "Don't worry its still in testing
they'll fix it". I can see past simple bugs and problems that are in, I can see what will be changed and what will not be changed. Small
bugs, will be changed. Removal of the level system, will not happen. If the CU isn't complete by May, it will still be released.
I am by no means a powergamer, I can remember grouping up with people going out and killing things unbuffed. Making camps to heal.
I have also gotten buffed and killed quenkers and things for xp. I am not saying anything. I think that our buffs, composite armor, DoTs, and
jedi are just fine the way they are.
Let them play how they want to play.
You forgot, If you really liked taking an hour to run to Jabba then go ahead..whos stopping you.
While buffs are way overpowered, and composite armor is too strong and allows players to solo things they shouldnt, I agree the CU is a train wreck, but we are getting it no matter what, so if you dont like it your going to have to find a new game.
I remember the start of the game, not day 1 never had to do a corpse run. I remember how long it took to get anywhere, groups of 20 would fall trying to do a lvl 25 st camp, one hit PvP, ect. I think that given a choice between todays game and the original I would take todays game, and in a choice between whats on test and whats in live I would take what is on live.
Belasarius
Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:24 am
#9
like i said..buffs killed this game..period...sorry if you like to run arouns like superman...but thats your problem...buffs killed SWG...and any noob that likes buffs..well get over it, because they are almost gone...thats the good news...the bad news is that the game that is "SWG" now, is going too...the CU is over-kill...all they needed to do was take away these stupid buffs and the playing field would be almost..almooossst even......but it would still be better than the CU.
Belasarius
Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:28 am
#10
Aikai wrote: Stop telling people how to play.
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Who the hell is telling people how to play? ...if ya think thats what im doing then...please erase the game from your hard drive and never come back to the forums...lol.
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Who the hell is telling people how to play? ...if ya think thats what im doing then...please erase the game from your hard drive and never come back to the forums...lol.
wyrwulf
Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:16 am
#11
Well I have bee here since day 2 and yes the way buffs are makes thing not fun for some, but buffs have been in the game since launch they were not added, just in the first few months no one had the stuff to make them, later buffs were changed due to a out cry from the players as buffs were random you never knew what they were going to hit for so the Dev's made them standard.
The same was true for armor it has always been in the game just no one had the resources to make the good stuff.
What killed the game was the holo craze when people started to "solo" play to grind professions as fast as they could to get to Jedi, everyone stopped grouping to do anything but grind by themselvs.
On that note the changes in the CU are going to the extream and need changed before it hits live.
ThGilsRooc
Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:54 am
#12
I have been playing since the beginning. I got TKM for the love of the prof when everyone, if they were anyone, was ranged. TKM sucked then, and it took me a month of gameplay to master. Powerboost lasted 30 seconds, and gave 100 wounds. If I'm just doing missions for credits, I don't buff. It can be on Tatooine, Endor, Lok, or Dath. Be it bantha, gurks, or Baz Nitches... It's just I know when to heal myself, which specials to use, and when to equip the vk's, plus powerboost. Fighting without vk's may take an extra 15 seconds to kill the mob, but I'm not killing my HAM spamming the area attack. And I never, NEVER, use unarmedhit3 (like every noob monkey I see). If I'm getting buffed, it's for pvp so I can put on the heavy armor I have or I'm dead in seconds. Otherwise, I wear either faction armor or old school comp at 50%, or chitin at 50% kinetic without needing buffs. I hate buffs too and enjoy the option of running out to hunt without a 30 minute prep. People in this game don't want to 'play' the game with a challenge in mind. For they'd prefer to justhave their hand held for every mission, quest, or themepark that exists. Man, I hated it when they added the POI tab. For most of those places were found when I was out hunting. And with speeders ingame, you can get all poi's in a matter of an hour if that's all you do. A long POI badge list should take a long time to accumulate.
Belasarius wrote:
I have been here since launch......and ever since the stupid super buffs were put in, the game has succckkkeedd royalllllyyyy!!!!!! Im so mad right now! I remember when there were no buffs and going out and fighting a bantha or cupa was a challenge even at master...and you could forget about killing a frickin Krayat without 20 peps and the out come would still be uncertain. The game was fun back in the day...it actually ment something to master a profession......and then the super buffs came along. A person could solo just about anything on one buff...and a person could master a profession in a few days...stupid, stupid, stupid decision to bring those into the game. Whoever did should be fired...anyways...all this CU crap is unecessary...just take away the buffs.
sorry for the rant..just had to vent!Message Edited by Belasarius on 04-12-2005 12:33 PM
Aikai
Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:03 pm
#13
Belasarius wrote:
Aikai wrote: Stop telling people how to play.
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Who the hell is telling people how to play? ...if ya think thats what im doing then...please erase the game from your hard drive and never come back to the forums...lol.
You are telling people that they should group up to get xp and level, and to kill high level content. When you see someone solo a NS elder does it make your cry out in pain? If you think that PvP is ruined because of armor and buffs. Who's stopping you from making a no buff no armor PvP tournament with your friends. I have made no armor PvP tourneys and it was fun. So no one is stopping you from grouping up with some new players and leveling. Last I checked I saw people runnning around in bone armor.
You may not notice it but you are telling people how they should play.
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