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Thread: Forum request, game guide copy protection???

Narut0
Thu May 26, 2005 7:15 am
#1

sorry if this is off topic but i feel it is a subject that needs to be addressed.
basicly i have stumbled across a game guide I wrote on this fourm that has been published on a known SWG resorce website, swgcenter.com

i was looking on google to see if any other info has been published from say SOE or other players about bugs with the Y-8 mining ship, i had previously writen a game guide based around the bugs and how the ship should work. the guide in question Y-8 mining guide (working around the known bugs) was taken from this forum and publish on swgcenter.com without my knolage or permission. i fell a little cheated because of this, to be honist i would have no problem with it IF they asked and gave me propper credit for this guide but as you can tell nothing was done, no permission was given and thus i am a truly unhappy nuna.

i would like to know if there can be a way to protect material on the game guide forum so as this may not happen again or happen to other players who are publishing help on this forum.

first off you can do what i did, Note at the foot of all my posts a small disclamer about my posts. hopefully this can help if you just tap in a line with a short disclamer followed by "©200x" (thats ascii code 0169 hold alt tap it in the numpad.)it should ward off guide thifes who may want to publish your guide and pass it off as thier own.

SWGcenter.com pay around $50.00 for a game guide to thier members and if your not the member who posted it you may of been subject to copyright theft, so keep on guard.



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foogee
Thu May 26, 2005 7:32 am
#2

Get over it...........
MenaBen-Hez
Thu May 26, 2005 7:38 am
#3






foogee wrote:
Get over it...........





Obviously never had an original thought put down on paper ever now have you. Having YOUR work stolen and somebody else taking credit for it is not something most people would enjoy.



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foogee
Thu May 26, 2005 7:51 am
#4






MenaBen-Hez wrote:





foogee wrote:
Get over it...........





Obviously never had an original thought put down on paper ever now have you. Having YOUR work stolen and somebody else taking credit for it is not something most people would enjoy.





Who does it harm exactly? When he wrote the guide he was essentially giving it to everyone in a very helpful manner. Why he should then bleat when someone puts the guide to very good use.. in my opinion..is beyond me.
nefarious
Thu May 26, 2005 7:59 am
#5



While I know it is frustrating, it looks like they have copied everything from the site, including your name. I don't think they are trying to pass it off like someone else wrote it, it looks like they are just trying to have a place where you can get good information.


Since this is a public forum I don't know if you have rights over what you post as SOE can come in and use the info as they wish and you won't get recognition.


The only thing I was able to find in the TOS is:


  1. Fansites that quote an article or patch message from an SOE site (such as Harpy's Head Tavern or other game site associated with Station.com) are requested to limit the quote to a paragraph or less and provide a link back to The Station or associated game site for the full article or message, rather than reproducing on the Fansite the entire patch message or article. Permission to link from the fansite to Station.com or the associated game site is granted in such circumstances.

And also anything you upload becomes the property of SOE:


By submitting (e.g., uploading or transmitting) Content to an SOE Communication Feature, you automatically grant SOE the royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, and fully sublicensable right and license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display such Content (in whole or part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed. In addition, you warrant that any and all so-called "moral rights" in the Content have been waived.

Message Edited by nefarious on 05-26-2005 11:18 AM



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Bronski113
Thu May 26, 2005 8:14 am
#6

I don't think there is really anything you can do about this. However I understand how you feel. When you put your time and effort into something you become attached to it and want to have control over it.

While posting it on that site is not harmful it is essentially ethically wrong for someone to do so without the author's permission.

Think of it as putting words in someone else's mouth. If his name was on the guide people might assume that he supports and uses that website. It doesn't seem like a big deal but in other cases it could be harmful to the author.



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Surseance
Thu May 26, 2005 8:26 am
#7

It's not like you're writing a dissertation, but nevertheless common courtesy would be to refer to the address / site the information was taken from.


I always do this - because many times I don't even know if it is true or correct what is written here. References can be BAD as well




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Narut0
Thu May 26, 2005 8:32 am
#8

im not against swgcenter.com having the guide on thier website, just the lack of asking me first made me angry.

and it dose feel like some one stole credet even though the whole gudie was word for word and even quoted my Forum name. But thats not the point i would of liked some one to ask first, and also the fact swgcenter has a paid content disclamer (ie once its on the website it becomes thier property) just makes me all the more angry.



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D67
Thu May 26, 2005 11:18 am
#9

It's a forum post, not formal publishing.

Not much legal history in that realm

And I would like it to stay that way



However, I noted that SWGCenter PAYS for guides.... So, the person who submitted it got paid $ for work he didnt write.

While the Legal status is questionable, Ethicaly, the guy is a slug.
Also, SOE should have a vested intrest in shutting the pay-sites down, or getting a piece... Afterall, Its LA and SOE Intellectual propert that these sites are making money off of.

Each and every one should get a C&D Letter, followed by a few examples made out of the Big names (IGN, SWGCenter etc..)



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riotcontrol
Fri May 27, 2005 12:22 am
#10

I believe it might be a good idea to ask one of the forum moderators (GarVa or Virrago perhaps?) to see if they can somehow contact them directly. A request from anyone with an official SOE/LA email will very likely make them take the guide down ASAP.



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vonbloodworth
Fri May 27, 2005 8:55 pm
#11

Its a public forum...sadley.





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C-H-U-D
Sat May 28, 2005 1:58 am
#12






Narut0 wrote:
the guide in question Y-8 mining guide (working around the known bugs) was taken from this forum and publish on swgcenter.com without my knolage or permission. i fell a little cheated because of this, to be honist i would have no problem with it IF they asked and gave me propper credit for this guide but as you can tell nothing was done, no permission was given and thus i am a truly unhappy nuna.






You posted it on these forums, when you did that it ceased to be your intellectual property, and became the intellectual property of Sony Online Entertainment. No one needs your permission, nor do they need to give you proper credit. If anyone has a right to be upset, it's SOE, and I havn't seen anything regardig rules about copy jobs of the content of these public forums. True, it's briefly mentioned in the TOS, buuuuuut, it's a "request" to limit it to a paragraph or less.\




[edited for] damned typographical errors

Message Edited by C-H-U-D on 05-28-2005 02:01 AM



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StarGuru2000
Sat May 28, 2005 2:17 am
#13

Unless you feel like spending 1k on Copyrighting it, you cant do anything about it,



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