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Initially with the old system, you had to unlock 5 hidden master boxes. As the number of Jedi increased on the servers, we increased the required number of hidden boxes. As the number increased, people were completing more and more professions to hit the hidden requirements. Although we will not be giving specific credit for the total number of professions ground, we will be giving credit for how many of the required hidden master boxes you completed.

- i couldn't find the post where you stated (allow me to paraphrase) "the # of professions hasn't changed, but the community may be missing one crucial aspect."

here's a post from Garva also saying there was no change:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=276010


Is the one crucial aspect the community missed your propensity to mislead us? What reasons did you have to intentionally mislead? Was it intentional? What was the purpose of changing the mechanism? I mean, in retrospect it certainly seems like increasing hologrinding did nothing but delay the number of people who would reach jedi, something this patch culminates with. the economy, perhaps even the entire game suffered from this decisison, and I'm not sure why it was made, why wasn't it left at 5 professions and the strain on the game minimalized? Especially considering limiting the # of Jedi in the game isn't even a concern at this point. Was your intent to artificially interject an element of mystery into a system that had already been discovered?

Please let's keep this thread constructive if you are going to reply. I'm not interested in a deleted bash SOE post so much as interested in understanding the reasoning behind the change, and the reasoning behind lying to the community. I'm sure there was a good reason, I'm just at a loss to come up with what it was. I think understading the rational behind that decision is important for the entire community as well, and important for us to be able to rework/rethink how we interact with the developers on these boards.

Message Edited by meeuki on 08-31-2004 03:53 PM

well it's possible TH was just trying to add some of the mystery that captivated us all back into the game.

but that doesn't explain the decision for changing the mechanism. considering the current situation we are in with jedi, i can't fathom why it was done, especially considering they should have known immediately that *everyone* would clamor for it.

it's really a two part question...

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meeuki wrote:


Is the one crucial aspect the community missed your propensity to mislead us? What reasons did you have to intentionally mislead? Was it intentional? What was the purpose of changing the mechanism? I mean, in retrospect it certainly seems like increasing hologrinding did nothing but delay the number of people who would reach jedi, something this patch culminates with. the economy, perhaps even the entire game suffered from this decisison, and I'm not sure why it was made, why wasn't it left at 5 professions and the strain on the game minimalized? Especially considering limiting the # of Jedi in the game isn't even a concern at this point. Was your intent to artificially interject an element of mystery into a system that had already been discovered?

Please let's keep this thread constructive if you are going to reply. I'm not interested in a deleted bash SOE post so much as interested in understanding the reasoning behind the change, and the reasoning behind lying to the community. I'm sure there was a good reason, I'm just at a loss to come up with what it was. I think understading the rational behind that decision is important for the entire community as well, and important for us to be able to rework/rethink how we interact with the developers on these boards.

Message Edited by meeuki on 08-31-2004 03:53 PM

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cause if they actually told the profs were raised to 8, they would have gotten a whole bunch of angry custommers saying that "it's unfair, why do I have to do more work than some other dude etc... *whine* *whine*"

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YamadaMan wrote:
cause if they actually told the profs were raised to 8, they would have gotten a whole bunch of angry custommers saying that "it's unfair, why do I have to do more work than some other dude etc... *whine* *whine*"

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that may be true, however, they have angry customers all the time anyway. they had angry customers who were sure the mechanism had changed posting anyway. they also could have remained silent about the entire thing, instead of lying. i don't think damage control was the rationale, but i might be wrong.

Until you can find TH's post, I would say they did not lie.
The dev's have always stated that there was an organic nature to the unlocking of the FS slot. Organic:

(from dictionary.com)Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected: society as an organic whole.

In other words, the system could change based on certain conditions.

As the number of Jedi increased, it became harder to unlock a new FS slot. This was organic in nature. The devs never changed the system, the system was designed from the start to change.

Message Edited by Dusk on 08-31-2004 04:07 PM

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Dusk wrote:
Until you can find TH's post, I would say they did not lie.
The dev's have always stated that there was an organic nature to the unlocking of the FS slot. Organic:

(from dictionary.com)Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected: society as an organic whole.

In other words, the system could change based on certain conditions.

As the number of Jedi increased, it became harder to unlock a new FS slot. This was organic in nature. The devs never changed the system, the system was designed from the start to change.

Message Edited by Dusk on 08-31-2004 04:07 PM

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so included in the design of the system was a mechanism that would increase exposure to the hologrind? if that's true, and that's what TH was talking about when he reminded the jedi forum that they were "missing something" it would take care of the lie part, yet still the question remains why?

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meeuki wrote:

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Dusk wrote:
Until you can find TH's post, I would say they did not lie.
The dev's have always stated that there was an organic nature to the unlocking of the FS slot. Organic:

(from dictionary.com)Resembling a living organism in organization or development; interconnected: society as an organic whole.

In other words, the system could change based on certain conditions.

As the number of Jedi increased, it became harder to unlock a new FS slot. This was organic in nature. The devs never changed the system, the system was designed from the start to change.

Message Edited by Dusk on 08-31-2004 04:07 PM

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so included in the design of the system was a mechanism that would increase exposure to the hologrind? if that's true, and that's what TH was talking about when he reminded the jedi forum that they were "missing something" it would take care of the lie part, yet still the question remains why?

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Because, at the time (design and shortly after the first Jedi), they were probably still hoping to keep Jedi rare. Having the system described above would at least slow down the increase of Jedi.

Now, however, everyone and thier sister is a Jedi ....