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Thread: Aaargh, what the heck drops the darn adhesive?
yes but because there is 7 of these for each kit you have a 70/100 chance to loot one if you get a loot kit loot, there are more of them flooding the market, and once someone builds a kit they no longer need those parts and just sell them. or you have a 5/100 chance to loot a adhesive. plus you have to take into account all the other crap loots that you can get and those numbers skyrocket to like 5/1000 becuase your not guaranteed a loot drop.
TashunkaSapa wrote:
Rawauh wrote:
all the look kits parts are the same % of drop. lets say youhave all the Gong parts but Section5. trying to loot section 5 on your own is damn near impossible, same as the adhesives. only reason that the adhesives are so rare is because people use them and dont sell them on vendors.
While your explanation sounds logical, it fails as soon as you consider that, if all pieces are the same rarity, and we don't see the adhesives because they are being used... they'd need to use the other pieces too!
It's clear that the distribution on these items is like collectible trading cards. The adhesives are the Rares, the 2 of a kind items (gong skins, plating, table tops, rug dye/cloth) are Uncommon, and the 7 of a kind items (threads, frame sections) are Common.
I'm sure someone who's better with statistics than I am can explain how, despite the fact that it's unlikely to get a given result on any single attempt, one can reasonably expect to get something with a 5 in 50 likelihood after several attempts. If the adhesives are of the same rarity as the threads, your chances of not getting at least one of some kind would have to be pretty small after hundreds of loot kit part drops.
Rawauh wrote:
all the look kits parts are the same % of drop. lets say youhave all the Gong parts but Section5. trying to loot section 5 on your own is damn near impossible, same as the adhesives. only reason that the adhesives are so rare is because people use them and dont sell them on vendors. there just seems to be more sections/threads in the market because there are 1-7 of them for all 5 loots (35pieces) not just 1 per like adhesives (5pieces).
By this logic, you should have a 1 in 10 chance of getting an adhesive, which is clearly not the case. People (myself included) have looted hundreds ofcomponents without looting a single adhesive of any kind.
Illuminatrix wrote:
I've got enough for 2 orange rug kits, most of a gong, half of a blue rug and not one adhesive. It's getting annoying.
Between my wife and I, we've managed to nearly complete the blue rug and the glass table. The only thing missing is the adhesive, so I feel your pain. I'm trying to figure out what the devs were thinking they were doing with this idea? Hell, adhesive alone goes for 1mil plus, and yet if you turn in the finished product to the junk dealer, you only get 1k in credits.
Mox Shehalis
Rawauh wrote:
yes but because there is 7 of these for each kit you have a 70/100 chance to loot one if you get a loot kit loot, there are more of them flooding the market, and once someone builds a kit they no longer need those parts and just sell them. or you have a 5/100 chance to loot a adhesive. plus you have to take into account all the other crap loots that you can get and those numbers skyrocket to like 5/1000 becuase your not guaranteed a loot drop.
First of all, your math is off (if all parts were equal rarity the chance to loot an adhesive would be 5/50 kit part drops). Second of all, your understanding of statistics is as well. IF the adhesives are of the same rarity as all other loot kit parts, THEN for every Blue Rug Adhesive that drops, there is one Blue Rug Dye, one Blue Rug Cloth Patches, and one each of threads 1-7.
Following along so far? So, if each of those pieces drops with equal likelihood, there will never be a surplus of any of the other items. If all parts were of equal rarity, and 50 of a given adhesive dropped so far on a particular server, then it would follow that 50 cloth patches, 50 dyes and 50 of each thread dropped. Adhesives wouldn't go for a premium because the other parts would be in equal demand and no part would be unneeded.
The faact that kit parts aren't always dropped is irrelevant - we are talking strictly about the likelihood of getting an adhesive when a kit part does drop. If adhesives are made scarcer by janta knife drops, then so are rug threads... but the overwhelming body of evidence shows that adhesives are indeed scarcer than other parts. Theory does not withstand the fact that there is an overabundance of the "7's" and an inexplicable scarcity of the adhesives.
It's simple logic, and tiered rarity is not a new concept to collectibles. In fact the 1/2/7 distribution isn't a new thing either.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 