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Thread: My way forward...

ryandinnage
Wed Aug 31, 2005 12:41 am
#1

Heres some things i've be looking at over the last couple of days and just have been thinking about it when im not playing. Have a listen and see what ya think.


Myself personally would like to see Jedi become more Jedi like, as character wise they are not and i believe a lot could be improved just from this. Below is going to be quite a few things about "The Jedi Code" and "Jedi Ethics" so have a read then see what you think of my idea after.


The Jedi Code:

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no death, there is the Force.


Jedi Ethics:


The Training:


"A Jedi's training in the Force never ends." A wise Jedi should strive to remember that there is always something more to learn about the Force. The Force reveals itself to those who have the desire and knowledge to see it, and heeding only the Force's will is much the same as looking at a bantha's toe and saying: "Now I understand banthas." To continue to grow, a Jedi should train each day.


Loyalty:


Jedi can exist in this universe because the Force exists. But the Jedi Order needs more: it requires loyalty. It goes without saying that Jedi should be loyal to one another, and not squabble or fight. More importantly, though, each Jedi should be aware that he must act in accordance with the wishes of his Master, who in turn acts in accordance with the wishes of the Jedi Council. This is not a question of seniority, but rather of understanding the will of the Force, and in this regard, the members of the Jedi Council are the recognized experts.


Integrity:


A Jedi's responsibility to the Force is to be honest to himself. This does not mean that he must be forthright with everyone else, however...There aremisperceptions of those who believe that Jedi should be morally superior: "Many feel that a Jedi should be scrupulously honest, never taking advantage, and never withholding information. This is nonsense."
From a certain point of view, a Jedi is not being dishonest if he allows people to believe what they wish to believe. A Jedi can and should offer advice to those who need it, but it is not incumbent upon the Jedi to convince anyone to follow his advice. In service to the Force, a Jedi may employ deception, subterfuge, misdirection, and even fraud, if he does so with a righteous aim. Although most sentient creatures have distaste for such practices, the Force is without such emotions. Don't confuse this with "moral flexibility." A Jedi does what needs to be done. But also remember that a Jedi is not above the law.


Morality:


The most dangerous quotation ever uttered by a Jedi Master is: "A Jedi is not a creature of morals." Jedi, to mean that a Jedi can do no wrong, has unfortunately translated these words, often. It actually means that Jedi are not enforcers of morality. While Jedi can bring or restore order and justice, they cannot themselves sit in judgement of others. There are two reasons for this.



First, the galaxy is a vast place, full of cultures that no one Jedi can completely understand. One famous story tells how a Jedi learned that the cannibalistic Colicoids had devoured a companion. When asked why the Jedi later bargained with the very same creatures for starship components, she responded: "Because eating the flesh of sentient creatures is not forbidden by the Jedi Code - but to the Colicoids, not eating the flesh of sentients is a sign of insanity." This Jedi recognized that punishing the Colicoids for acting according to their nature would be acting out of emotion and ignorance. Similarly not procuring a badly needed engine part would have been punishing herself, out of guilt.



The second reason is that judgement leads to vengeance, and vengeance leads to the dark side. This is easy to understand, though not so easy to practice. Should a known murderer be allowed to go free? Should a man intent on murder be killed? To answer either question, a Jedi must first know the will of the Force. Neither decision can be made hastily, except where lives are threatened.


Discrection:


Though certain Master's believe in justice, they also understand that itis sometimes necessary for a Jedi to practice discretion: "The galaxy will live in tranquility if certain matters are a bit overlooked or left unheard." Some have seen this as sign of Jedi partisanship. Others, particularly law enforcement agencies, believe that Jedi ignore small crimes, in order to apprehend greater criminals. Obviously, neither of these is true. The truth is that Jedi Knights are suffered throughout the galaxy - despite our facility with the Force. This is because we do not actively interfere with the lives of the common people.


Jedi stand for order and justice, and these qualities do not begin with the misdeeds of the few. The goal of the Jedi should be to create and preserve an atmosphere in which justice can flourish, rather than to try to create justice herself. Master Yoda has often said that, should the Republic ever challenge the Jedi Order's right to exist, the support of the common citizen will see us through: "If fear us they do, help us they will not. If hate us they do, hunt us they will."


Bravery:


"To be brave in battle proves nothing. Bravery itself proves nothing. A Jedi should be prepared to put aside fear, regret, and uncertainty and either fight, run, surrender, or die."
A common mistake among younger Jedi is that bravery is the opposite of fear, and since fear leads to the dark side, bravery is armor against the dark side. Not so. If a Jedi is mindful of the will of the Force, he will know whether it is best to stand his ground, or flee, or even to offer truce. Remember that bravery itself is an emotion, and a Jedi should be at peace - even in the midst of war.



Ok now from above blue lines are quite important, red more so and bold red even more so. But heres where my idea takes off, lets use the above to make jedi as they should be not like how they are now.....useless. Jedi's are not meant to be just uber warriors, they are meant to be above that, they are protectors of life in a way. Are they like that in game at the moment ? No....plain and simple.



Heres one idea i've come up with from the above. Ok imagine this, you've just completed your long grind on the force sensitive tree and unlocked the option to become a Jedi Padawan....but wait.....damn....whos going to train me ??? Every Padawan should only be able to become a Padawan if they have a Master to train them the ways in the force. This itself would not only make the game a whole lot more closer to the films but this is also an easy way to slow down the amount of Jedis coming through the ranks without an increase to required xp as it is.


Then we could even expand on this and say for example, you've been training with your master since you were a Padawan and have so far advanced to Jedi Knight, but theres a twist, you have given in to your fear, your hate and attempt to strike your master down in a fit of rage.....this is the point you turn to the dark side.....


You could make this very interesting for example and say in the Apprentice manages to strike down his master, he claims his saber..... This could make Masters carefull of whom they choose to train.



There thats it, a bit long winded but i've gotten completly lost thinking about this. Lemme know what y'all think and any other ideas you may be able to pull from the above.



Regards


Weiko Atoh


ryandinnage
Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:06 am
#2

/bump



Daetori
Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:09 am
#3

Several good points in there, but this is theory rather than SWG, I am afraid.


The Master - Apprentice system is being looked at I believe and Devs are aware of the issue... When it will be implemented I am not sure but I would also love to see this happen. But then again this is a role playing game so you can make such a thing happen! I remember a post from a jedi not long ago on the Force Sensitive forum that he would be willing to take on an apprentice (FS or padawan). So if you are intoRP you can make it happen for yourself. I know that this pushes the system into completely player controlled but this is the best we have at the moment.


Also, do not forget that this is game and most people will just grind as fast as they can, won't indulge in serious RP and may not be online when their Master/Apprentice is so could be difficult to implement.




Daetori Ne'Hadra ó
Ranger of the Plains*
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