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Thread: A Constructive Analysis of FS system with Village and how to Improve!
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Fuegantus
Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:25 pm
#1
Ok ive been reading much on about how people are so disheartend by this few changes especialy the combat xp conversion, and i feal for them as im also effected because of this. I dont think in general that SOE should punish or change things bigtime to make things harder jsut because a selected 10-15% of people hardcore grinders go threw this like butter, whilst casual players like me and other who come in and out eregulaly because we have things to do in Real life end up geting the shaft because of this small minority. But i am glad its put a stop to grenade only being thrown and cuasing group wipe outs or mass death, or what ever ells.
I can see that the path to becoming a Jedi is long and hard but this is kind of redicules ive been here since the beginning of SWG and never made it to jedi until the new system were i became FS now, all this time ive spent and im still only doing my 3rd FS box 
but the devs have changed 1 grinding system for another, thats might be shorter or seem so but infact needs more probably or i know its just as boaring as the normal Proffesion grind.
but the devs have changed 1 grinding system for another, thats might be shorter or seem so but infact needs more probably or i know its just as boaring as the normal Proffesion grind.I think in general its time that we get some thing for our hard earnd money and time when we do play to be plowed back to us, id like to see conversion figure come down instead of up, at least they could be halved to what they currantly are, in most area's unless the xp is easy to get.
Id like to see Space Combat XP as a conversion in all area's and have a conversion rate or 20:1 whilst rest is 15:1 at least this would allow others to have a change from ground play and go space if they can, i find it particulaly Laborius on the ground. Would realy love for the devs to stop making things more difficult jsut because of a few, its just not worth it in all the hassesl posts and threads you get after, and the Cannceld acounts, you cant afford to loss more player accounts in SWG as it is with WoW or EQ2 particulaly more WoW.
TBH i dont expect any dev would read this and take anything onboard seeing theyd be to busy on thinking on how to make things even more difficult and boaring for us.
I would like FS system to fun and storie/quest driven much like how the Pilote proffesion progress works, were you do quest and you get a free sub box of your choice, and then enxt one you got to grind etc until you can get quest for neyt stage, but at least you take out the monthely phase's which are redicules. I think it would improve alot of the aspects and fun aspect on becoming a Jedi.
Im also board of having to do back and fourth a long treck with bike or speeder to FS village and normal space port, make the village have its own mini landing pad for shuttel or for poeple from from space, and only able to land if they are FS.
So suggestions:
- Ignore the grinders, they have caused nothing but aggrovation and do nothing for the game but whine that thigns are to easy when they are in fact harder then ever to do anything ingame.
- Posible add a new quest driven FS system isntead of the currant one.
- Give some thing back to the general community for the hard work and dedication in going down this road.
- Lower conversion rates by half so around 15:1 for most.
- Add Space Combat XP to conversion system for all area's with conversion rate of 20:1 or so or 15:1 because not any esear geting the xp then rest.
- Posible lower the xp requirenment for all FS tree branches isntead of lower conversion figures, jsut half the ammount of xp needed would be doable and esear to implement.
- Add a space/landing area to FS village to help save time going back and forth to village, and make it only so FS people can get thier once they done pre requasit quest for old man.
- Allow FS people to start wielding a lightsaber/ or training saber or hard quest to posibly obtain one, and have it to slightly less dmg then normal lowest lightsaber,a nd some fighting skills with it (probably not taken into account to people arguaing against this idea)
This is all i have atm, id hope that something might be taken into consideration here, even if its only 2 out of the list, i doubt theyd ever do a new jedi revamp, seeing it took so long to do the last lol, but the things with xp lowering for branches or converison rates, or addition of space combat xp would be start, also addition of esear acess to village.
Id like to have some input from all you other FS people out thier that play, and please no flaming or stuff like that im trying to be constructive, so biast.
Also excuss my english but its not my main language hehe.
Message Edited by Fuegantus on 08-06-2005 04:26 AM
Message Edited by Fuegantus on 08-06-2005 04:28 AM
slacker575
Fri Aug 05, 2005 8:16 pm
#3
As a FS grinder, essentially rightin the middle of mygrinding (all unlocks done) I think the system is already too easy.
Fuegantus
Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:28 am
#4
Bump... dont want this thread to be lost in a void of unessecity!
Improvizeer
Sat Aug 06, 2005 10:33 am
#5
WAITA MINUTE! you saying to me that fs is too hard? its easy as he!l. Think about it. Do a quest and then do missions an trade in exp. then your jedi. Not hard at all. yes i agree there should be a conversion for space but i want them to make it harder to get Fs. There are just too many jedis, its spose to be after the emporer killed all the jedis theres not spose to be that many jedi. Overall the village in my mind is just not enuf. They need to make gaining Fs harder...notjust mastering a few professions and gettin some badges.....make it harder with having to master more professions, the old man give you harder quest to become force sensetive. Then once your at the village the active quest you do are harder and that exp is cut don by a little. By the means they have right now, its not hard, just time consuming.
And no dont let Fs use lightsabers. That makes no sense. You just want to have alightsaber because your not gonna be jedi for a long time. Fs is spose to be the time when u just discover you have the force. Then you go thru rigorous training to channel such powers. Not just here, take this saber and slash at anything that moves.
Message Edited by Improvizeer on 08-06-2005 10:35 AM
Fuegantus
Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:06 pm
#6
You seem to forget the reason thier are somany jedi players ingame, is because of the FS free boxes unlocked ages ago as well as thier being around 6 months or more after jedi revamp, so its no wonder thier are so many around, also for a fact only becaiuse the emperor and vader hunted down jedi dosnt mean thier arnt any, and that in big numbers, could still be hundreds around.
IMO yea by all means make it a bit harder to get FS oldman etc but atm i find it extreamly hard to get xp because of the combat revamp, let alone find a group to go and fight mobs with the do a laborius grind.
That jsut brainless mob grind.
Id still love it to be, space xp conversion, esear acess to village and posible lowring of the overall xp needed for FS tree's, the gflodgates are open and no way to close unless you get rid of Jedi's in all.
Also if you find it easy as hell then your either a grinder, or have no problem finding a group.
Casual gamers atm, and i know are being hurt to much by powergamers, which are few compared to the casual gamer.
slacker575
Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:29 pm
#7
Video games are like anything else in life, more work put in means more benefits reaped. So what if there isn't a "fair" balance between power gamers and casual gamers? Life isn't fair. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Bain-
Sat Aug 06, 2005 1:44 pm
#8
slacker575 wrote:
As a FS grinder, essentially rightin the middle of mygrinding (all unlocks done) I think the system is already too easy.
Exactly, took the words right out of my mouth. Not all of us our "grinders." I do not have time to "grind", I am just a casual player. So because youhave no life outside of SWG, the casual players have to get the shaft?
slacker575
Sat Aug 06, 2005 3:44 pm
#9
Way to assume...I am using "grinder" in the general sense...I only play a few hours a week. I spend that time grinding out missions, but to suggest I have "no life outside of SWG" is moronic at best.
Message Edited by slacker575 on 08-06-2005 03:47 PM
slacker575
Sat Aug 06, 2005 4:05 pm
#10
How exactly are you getting "the shaft"? The system for Jedi is the same for everyone...you get out what you put in.
Try this, go to the bank and request a loan you don't qualify for. After you are denied, ask them "Why is it that just because others give up their free time to work and establish credit, I get the shaft?".
You have the same over-inflated mentality of entitlement that is ruining this country.
Bain-
Sat Aug 06, 2005 5:01 pm
#11
slacker575 wrote:
How exactly are you getting "the shaft"? The system for Jedi is the same for everyone...you get out what you put in.
Try this, go to the bank and request a loan you don't qualify for. After you are denied, ask them "Why is it that just because others give up their free time to work and establish credit, I get the shaft?".
You have the same over-inflated mentality of entitlement that is ruining this country.
Childrenlike you make me wonder. I pay $15 a month out of my paycheck, as do you. I am one of those 85% polled that would like to become a jedi. Why should that option of becoming a jedi seem so impossible for me, a hardworking, career building individual who unlike you, does not have the summer off from school. I do not have the time to grind 3-4 hours everyday, so why should my character be second class in PvP and PvE?
slacker575
Sat Aug 06, 2005 6:06 pm
#12
I will refer you to my earlier post. I play a few hours a week because that is all I have time for. I am also a "hardworking, career building individual". I, however, don't feel the need to bi tch and moan until I get handed something for free that I didn't earn.
Oh, so you want a Jedi? I guess that means you deserve one. You remind me of those Herpes medication comercials, "You deserve a normal life"....no, you don't, you made the mistake of getting Herpes, learn to live with it.
Our country is full of people with major entitlement issues. Go pick up Academy or KotOR if waving a glowstick is so important to you.
Unfortunately for you, the whole point of a MMO is to reward people who put time in. I suppose you would rather communistize (not really a word, but you get the point) the game and just give those "without time to play" everything for free.
You don't have time to play...that is exactly why you are a second-class citizen in the game. Same as those that don't have a high paying job are second class citizens in real life.
Fuegantus
Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:45 am
#13
Quite nickpicking, dont want this ending up in a sluging fest, anyway thiers going to be arguments against and arguments for this, those that dont speak out are generaly the ones that agree and dont speal out because they might fear them being slaged off.
Hope that Bac will at least have a look and get some answers on this one when hes back.
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