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Malachi_Monson

Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:25 am

Okay, I've been thinking about this whole " unlock FS too fast/become a Jedi too fast" arguement and I've got a proposal. Now, I think we can all agree that we don't want the Dev's messing around with the systems too much anymore, right? I mean, they don't exactly have a good track record on coming up with solutions that do not drive us all besserk. So, what we should do is impose some rules of our own. Here is my idea:

One of the biggest complaints I read in these boards are about the guys who get the game and immediately start the grind towards Jedi. There is a whole %#%@load of content in this game that has nothing to do with Jedi. Badges upon badges galore. Theme parks, quests, POI's, the whole kit and kaboodle. Many of us have completed lots of these Badges. In fact, I would go so far as to say that 80 percent of the people who joined 1-2 years ago have done a hell of a lot of these quests. But the new guys aren't. Some of them aren't, I should say. SO, my proposal is this: Don't group with them.

It's that easy. Any time your forming a group do an examine of the character to see what they have done. If they have a bunch of badges, then sure, go ahead. If they have just the badge to indicate what profession they have mastered, then so sad, too bad.

Let me expand on this, because I know there are some issues with it.

1: This does not apply to new guys who are trying to hunt so they can gain a profession. I knwo that if it had been as easy to get an elite profession 2 years ago as it is now, I would have ground out the profession and THEN went and did a lot of those quests, because things like the Warren were a pain in the ass.

2. This applies to Jedi joining groups, and any group that you form or join that you KNOW is directly related to FS XP grinding, or quests.

3. If your already a Jedi, spend an hour or two of your game time each week helping out the younger guys on some of the group Quests, like the corvettes and the Warren. Same goes to elite professions grinding out FS XP.

Ok, the point here is, if a guy can't get anyone to group with him, he is going to have one hell of a hard time getting xp. Yes, I know it can be done, but lets face it, it's a lot harder. Some will say to hell with you, and go that route. Well fine, it still slowed them down. Others will start getting the message and go out and start earning some badges. And if they want help with those quests, well by all means, let's help them out. But no more 2 month players grinding out their 2nd unlock of FS and all of us sitting around helping them out.

So, if you go to the village to do phase 3 capture the commander and some guy is asking to join, or asking for help, you do a check. Oh, what's this? No badges at all? Sorry bud, I can't help you. Go out and play the game, then come back when you've got some experiance.

There are lots of ways we could improve on this, I know that you guys out there can think of some good ideas. I also know I'm going to get flamed a hell of a lot as soon as I post this. Oh well, I don't care. I, like many of you, want Jedi's who act like Jedi's. Since the Dev's can't figure it out, let's do it on our own. C'mon everyone, let's put our heads together and make this work.Instead of replying to tell me how stupid I am, or " u sux!!!!!!!" or whatever other immature response may be brewing inside your head when you finish this post, read it, consider it, and either give me inciteful ideas as to why it won't work at all, or what we can do to make it work best.

Bakhta

Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:47 pm

#2

Ok dude, no flaming from me. I guess since i still am what is referred to as a n00b (June 2nd 2005). But i completly agree with the problem you have with people only playing to be jedi a.s.a.p.. I personaly started out kinda like that, but quickly got hooked on all the cool (realy challenging stuff) in this game. Since then I do the FS quest stuff only on the side and mainly for the rewards. Do I still want to be Jedi? Hell yeah! Jedi ROCK! But i kinda don't see me beeing a cool jedi if i don't know jack about the game and the world except for where to grind. Jedi are supposed to be wise and knoledgable about their world and what is going on.

So I set this rule for my self basically. I don't grind except to help new guildmates get started in their profession or when i eventually wanna try a different profession myself (ok,ok, I hate grinding so no real difficult task for me lol) on the contrary, I try to get people to do quests and badges with me that pose a challenge and make me a better player. By now i'vegot 50+ badges (I don't dig on the POI stuff so alot of those are still missing) and find new challenges every day. Ok what will probably bug you is i'm on my 4th unlock already, but I got so little FS XP it is ridiculous since most of my XP comes from doing quests and stuff ( I rarely trade more than once every 2 weeks), and as i mentioned i do them as i go along.

The problem I see with your suggestion is that you will most likely not accomplish anything, except maybe make those new players look upon you like you are just an arrogant a-hole. That wouldn't benefit anyone, ok you probably couldn't care less, but it would be a loss for those just starting out. If I hadn't met the guys/gals from my guild I probably would have a entirely different opinion. Those people have taken me along on difficult high lvl activities eventhough i was still a useless noob, and only that has shown me what all there is to be discovered in this game. So rather than brushing people off because they don't have enough badges, why don't you try and take them along for some fun and thrilling adventure that is far beyond their reach, knowing that they are of little use and might endanger the success. I think that would have a higher rate of success than trying to force your opinion on them by ignoring them (my parents tried that on me years ago and failed miserably lol).As far as the other players that can't be convinced that there is something more to the game than beeing jedi are concerned, Ithink they will not be around for very long 'cause there just ain't no fun in grinding all the way to jedi. I mean even with the new system it still takes several months of dedicated work and the death of hords of Banthas/Dewbacks/Rontos/Gurks and for the sad soul that actually takes joy in that, one most have pitty.

Damn that turned out to be quite a monologue =). I hope i got my point across, don't give up on people you vets are their only hope.

PS: Please don't hate the sig, Iwill make a new one....sometime.....I hope =)

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SpacePilot01

Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:19 pm

#3

This is not a flame so don't get me wrong I think these are good Ideas, just... How many people are actually going to follow these rules. Personally, I'm in a hurry to get my jedi unlock (partly because of time and partly out of pure impatience). I would like to use these rules all the time but sometimes I don't have the patience nor the time. I fell and always felt that it is the devs fault for having so many jedi in this game, now they are trying to fix the problem but just making things worse. I say let things be, I mean, this game is already ruined (don't get me started on the facts why there shouldn't be any jedi around during this time period) just let those who want to be jedi become them. Sooner or later this game is going to become a huge "jedi fest" and there is nothing the devs or they playings do about it. Unless they get rid of the jedi profession all together which they should have done before the game was released. Remember this is just my point of view not meant to offend anyone.

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EnosShenk

Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:42 pm

#4

Sorry dude, but no one would follow these rules... and its not that people have problems with people immediately grinding for jedi so much is that it bothers us when there are jedi padawans who know absolutely nothing about the game or what the hell they are doing. But we understand that SWG is a business as well as a game. So, its every players right to play how they want to play. On the bright side.. it makes for a lot of fun for bh's to pwn the jedi who only know how to use saber hit 1.

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Bain-

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:23 am

#5

I'm going as fast as I can also (I am a veteran however, this is my third account.) because I know that it is only a matter of time until the Dev's nerf something else.

Morathai

Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:50 am

#6

The counter logic to this is anybody who feels like offering up there CC number to pay for my account can feel free to tell me how i should play the game.

Just like unless my neighbors wanna pay my rent they will be quiet while im sleeping.

Seeing as how i have 3 chars who are currently FS your rules would keep them from being included. I dont feel like mastering the entire game on every char just to satisfy somebodies obsession with there being to many new jedi.

Fact is i have one char i want to be a jedi. The other two went FS to help friends out with the village and to get rewards. Now ifeverytime i go to the MO or any other popular grind spot and everybody is like i cant group you. Your fs with not enough content in my oppinion then it would greatly detract from my gameplay.

And to be honest i dont think the devs care how many people FS grind since the mos eisley noob quests now count for 4 content badges as i confirmed yesterday.

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NACHODEWI

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:38 am

#7

These glowie badges are soo easy to get now I am going to make one of my alts FS just for the hell of it. Everyone except the devs know the system is a joke now.

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Polished

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:54 am

#8

What about someone in my situation. Plucky Swift is the character I created when I first started playing SWG the best part of 2 years ago. He's done loads of stuff, got loads of badges, done all the Themeparks (not Rebel {spit}), is world weary and I'd never want him to become a Jedi.

Polished Serendipity is a new charcter I created to become Jedi and all she has is the required badges for glowy and a few others not intentionally got.

So, personally for me, you're idea is not a good one.

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Kimoligaguy

Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:59 am

#9

Nice idea, that wouln't make me feel like i did all those cool missions and such for nothhing, whitch is what i fell like now. Great idea

theEwokDude

Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:41 am

#10

The beautiful thing about MMOs is that you can do whatever you want. Especially SWG. You can dance, be a medic, chef, droid engineer, or be a combat profession. Everyone is free to spend their ingame time as they want to. If people want to grind up Jedi starting Day 1 that is their choice. Trying to regulate how and when people pursue a profession ingame is so ridiculous that I can't believe this idea has any backing at all. So what if Doorknob Dave wants to pursue Jedi an hour after he buys the game? Afterall, this is Star Wars. What do you expect? My idea is for people to stop worrying so much about what others are doing and worry about themselves. You only get what you put into the game.

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KD2K5

Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:26 am

#11

most stupid idea ever. this thread needs to die in a car fire

Tactical_Dave

Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:27 am

#12

Sure, let's introduce more griefing into SWG. And prejudice on top of that. I really don't see any wisdom in making some players do more work to make sure other players do more work. Do you? It sure doesn't sound like fun. If you're limiting your play experience because of envy or jealousy, that's too bad for you.

I play to have fun. And I play with others who want to have fun.

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UTech

Wed Aug 31, 2005 8:33 am

#13

Malachi_Monson wrote:

SO, my proposal is this: Don't group with them.

It's that easy. Any time your forming a group do an examine of the character to see what they have done. If they have a bunch of badges, then sure, go ahead. If they have just the badge to indicate what profession they have mastered, then so sad, too bad.

You're suggesting griefing and discrimination based on a badge count. A bit bloody Aryan isn't it?

Malachi_Monson wrote:

3. If your already a Jedi, spend an hour or two of your game time each week helping out the younger guys on some of the group Quests, like the corvettes and the Warren. Same goes to elite professions grinding out FS XP.

Did it occur to you that most if not all quests in this game involve fighting NPC's, thus adding visibility for aforementioned Jedi? Did it also occur to you that pre-pub 9 Jedi do not usually have any mastery badges?

This thread should be deleted, the whole thing just drips of white hoods and burning crosses.

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