Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Can't finish the grind before the CU hits...
Kmfdmkid
Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:56 pm
#14
you can still get padawan its just...well.....you probably arent going to be able to cap very fast :/ im sure some people will find a way to do it fast no matter what though
spyvsspy0110
Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:55 am
#15
I don't see how this is really a "pity me" thread. The ultimate question that Ulrick raises is a good one. How will the change in xp affect those going through the FS grind.
According to Shensen, you can still solo, but get less xp than if you were in a group. I don't know how true this fact is since I haven't been on TC to try it out myself, but let's assume he/she is right.
Why should I be penalized if I don't want to group? I would like to imagine that there are some people like me who are limited to about 2-3 hours of game play per night during the week. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I find it quicker to armor up, buff all my stats, and grab some missions alone than it would be to stand in a starport spamming for hours about how I want to join a group. And what then? You join a group and find that "Jon" has to log in a hour, "Ben" has only been in the game for a week and doesn't know how a group should work as a "team", "Sam" doesn't have any of the new armor...can he borrow some, "Jane" rushes the lair and gets killed before the doc can reach her and starts screaming about a rez, "Carol" doesn't have a speeder,...blah, blah, blah. I could go on. But such has always been my experience with groups. It's always going to take time to find one and once you do, you run the risk of joining with people who will ruin it. I'm in a great guild full of mature people who do work as a team. So sure, I like some of the social aspects of this game, but I most certainly avoid people when given the choice because I have met far many more who make me wishI had the ability to force choke than thoseI want to fight shoulder to shoulder with.
So will the CU be more rewarding to groups asopposed tothose who choose to go solo? I hope not. What people don't realize is that thosewho go out andsolo a krayt or solo Melmake up far less of the population than those who don't. I'm aMaster Swordsman with some Medic. I got a wild streak on Friday anddecidedto try soloing a krayt. I was fully buffed, armored, weaponed with stims, brandy, canape, exo-protien wafers...you name it,I had it. And I still got mybutt handed to me.
I guess my endpoint is this.A player should not be rewarded more or less for being in a group or being solo. There should be just as much merit in taking down a hardkill aloneas there should be for taking down a harder kill as a group.
Annastriana
Kaiorin
Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:20 am
#16
Ulrick,
I completely understand your plight. I too have been in a very similar position since the inception of the Jedi Villiage and FS grind. Most people do not understand the sheer need for some of us to attain Jedi. While many of us have a strong desire to reach that goal, it is not always for the same reason. Personally, I think your choice to continue on the path to a Jedi must ultimately be made on a basis of just how much you want to be a Jedi, and more importantly why.
I myself was an entertainer for the vast majority of my time in SWG since launch. I had always been a Master Dancer, Master Musician, and Master Entertainer, and no one else that knew me could ever remember me being anything other. A few months ago I learned the nature of the CU, and how it could possibly change the system to attain a Jedi yet again. While I had no concrete proof that it would nerf the grind, or alter it in some way that might make it harder, I assumed it would do something to further deter those of us that had yet to hold a lightsaber in triumph over our sacrifice in grinding.
With the knowledge that change would come, as it always does, I decided to fight back and attain my goals. I gathered the money I needed for the infamous grenade grind and set out on my way to Mastering Swordsman, and gaining Commando 4000, and Medic 0040. Unfortunately this meant dropping all of my entertaining professions and fulfilling a completely different role in SWG. Now I hardly hang out in the cantinas anymore, unless I am getting buffed for combat or reducing my battle fatigue.
I have filled nearly 3 trees, and have only unlocked those trees. I am currently on my way to the path of Jedi, and although I will not complete my unlocks before the CU, I am grinding away to ensure that I have the neccessary XP banked by the time the CU launches. I do not know if the FS system or its requirements will change when the CU launchs, but it doesn't matter to me. I am focused and I have my goals in mind, and I never forget that the true goal is not to attain my path in SOE's time, but my own. If I am meant to fulfill the role of Jedi, I will attain it CU or not.
My words are written not as a means of gloating over my apparent success in grinding in such a short time, that I -can- use the grenade grind unlike some, or an attempt to complain or whine at the loss of my coveted entertainer professions. This is solely a post to say you should never lose hope. No matter how much or how little you have left, you should continue to push on as hard as you can to attain your goal of Jedi. No player here, and not even SOE can deny you that (unless they pull Jedi altogether).
My point is, you're not alone. There are many of us out there grinding away with concerns that our dreams of Jedi might never be realized, but I know mine will be, and I believe your's can be too. We're out here rooting for you and anyone else with the determination and desire to prove it can be done despite the sacrifices. I know you can make it, Ulrick. You just have to keep pushing for it, and not let the negativity of some of SWG's patrons distract you.
In my heart, my profession has always been Jedi. I've just been following a longer road than some to get to it. I think you follow a similar path, Ulrick. The only way you'll ever really not make it, is if you stop walking down that path.
Keeping the faith,
Arycon Naelis
[Edited for spelling corrections]
There is no emotion; there is peace
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge
There is no passion; there is serenity
There is no death; there is the force
I completely understand your plight. I too have been in a very similar position since the inception of the Jedi Villiage and FS grind. Most people do not understand the sheer need for some of us to attain Jedi. While many of us have a strong desire to reach that goal, it is not always for the same reason. Personally, I think your choice to continue on the path to a Jedi must ultimately be made on a basis of just how much you want to be a Jedi, and more importantly why.
I myself was an entertainer for the vast majority of my time in SWG since launch. I had always been a Master Dancer, Master Musician, and Master Entertainer, and no one else that knew me could ever remember me being anything other. A few months ago I learned the nature of the CU, and how it could possibly change the system to attain a Jedi yet again. While I had no concrete proof that it would nerf the grind, or alter it in some way that might make it harder, I assumed it would do something to further deter those of us that had yet to hold a lightsaber in triumph over our sacrifice in grinding.
With the knowledge that change would come, as it always does, I decided to fight back and attain my goals. I gathered the money I needed for the infamous grenade grind and set out on my way to Mastering Swordsman, and gaining Commando 4000, and Medic 0040. Unfortunately this meant dropping all of my entertaining professions and fulfilling a completely different role in SWG. Now I hardly hang out in the cantinas anymore, unless I am getting buffed for combat or reducing my battle fatigue.
I have filled nearly 3 trees, and have only unlocked those trees. I am currently on my way to the path of Jedi, and although I will not complete my unlocks before the CU, I am grinding away to ensure that I have the neccessary XP banked by the time the CU launches. I do not know if the FS system or its requirements will change when the CU launchs, but it doesn't matter to me. I am focused and I have my goals in mind, and I never forget that the true goal is not to attain my path in SOE's time, but my own. If I am meant to fulfill the role of Jedi, I will attain it CU or not.
My words are written not as a means of gloating over my apparent success in grinding in such a short time, that I -can- use the grenade grind unlike some, or an attempt to complain or whine at the loss of my coveted entertainer professions. This is solely a post to say you should never lose hope. No matter how much or how little you have left, you should continue to push on as hard as you can to attain your goal of Jedi. No player here, and not even SOE can deny you that (unless they pull Jedi altogether).
My point is, you're not alone. There are many of us out there grinding away with concerns that our dreams of Jedi might never be realized, but I know mine will be, and I believe your's can be too. We're out here rooting for you and anyone else with the determination and desire to prove it can be done despite the sacrifices. I know you can make it, Ulrick. You just have to keep pushing for it, and not let the negativity of some of SWG's patrons distract you.
In my heart, my profession has always been Jedi. I've just been following a longer road than some to get to it. I think you follow a similar path, Ulrick. The only way you'll ever really not make it, is if you stop walking down that path.
Keeping the faith,
Arycon Naelis
[Edited for spelling corrections]
There is no emotion; there is peace
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge
There is no passion; there is serenity
There is no death; there is the force
Message Edited by Kaiorin on 04-12-2005 08:36 AM
meediummshoww
Tue Apr 12, 2005 5:24 am
#17
murphy7 wrote:
Ulrick wrote:
Will Jedi be a profworthhaving in the new combat system? That is what gives me pause.
Excellent question. I can only answer for myself, but it IS worth it to me. It wasn't worth changing my template over until I heard about the CU and it's effects, which has led me to take some hits in my sleep schedule and weekends so that I might pull off a full or partial buff once or twice during the workweek and then one or two more full buffs on the weekends. I h ave a reasonable expectation to finish the nade grind skill boxes before the CU, but I do not expect to get Luck completed in that time.
In a real way I see this as my opportunity to start over as a Jedi while everyone else is in essence starting over as well. No sense of the loss of power that Jedi used to have, as I will have never had it. Similarly, the limits and possibilities of the Jedi profession will be entirely defined by the new order, not requiring a rethink or retemplate or simple readjustment. In the short term I expect things will be very difficult, as I expect many aspects of the rebalancing will not be ironed out until a few months into live publish. Still, it's a journey worth it to me. Maybe viewing it this way may make it more palatable to you as well.
Well said.
Wookie Jedi - Mayor of Talath, Rori
Vaderian
Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:32 am
#18
I found myself much in the same predicament as many of you. I was a Master Artisan, Master Droid Engineer, and Pistoleer 2222. Then I heard the news about the CU. I hadn't even tryed for glowie before this time, I figured I had plenty of time.
So in the next two days I reach glowie....it was tough but it worked. The old man comes the sith come and I finally get to the village. So I get to the village and then I read these boards and I realize that I am never going to make the jedi grind as a MDE. The most experience I could make is 480 exp for 170 steel 70 fiberplast. MDE conversions 5 to 1. I realize I'm doomed at this point it would literally take millions of resources and thousands of hours to grind jedi as a MDE.
So the fateful decision comes to give up what I've been doing since day one of SWG. I drop my Master Artisan and pistoleer. I Master Marksman, 4000 Brawler, and now Commando 4044. I couldnt afford the grenade grind my servers prices are way to high, so I am trying to do it maxing weapons and combat experience with my heavy weapons, it still takes a long time to get one box, but its slowly working, but this is all solo. I'm very concerned that their going to make this game like EQ2 in that you need a group to move experience at all.
I came back to SWG from EQ2 once I realized that soloing was ineffective and the crafting system wasn't very good. I mean whose bright idea was the bazaar I have to be online and in my apartment to sell items?
Regardless Im caught up like the rest of you grinding non-stop trying to bank as much as I can before the CU, what really has me concerned is the quests to unlock the force sensitive skills. They were anything, but easy for me solo and buffed I fear they will be impossible after the CU, but then only time will tell. Too bad you have to give up what you love all for a shot at holding a glowstick.
Leone Horne
Ulrick
Tue Apr 12, 2005 6:45 am
#19
Thanks for the encouragement on the grind. Yes, I do believe it will be worth it for me personally in the end, and as such, I capped xp again last night and made the village run. What I have decided though is to continue to enjoy the game vs. just straight grind like a madman until the CU.
I have finally managed to get past a bug with my software and logged into TC last night for the first time. I'm less concerned now than I was, although the combat is different and will take some getting used to. A guildmate of mine just got novice commando in TC, so I'm hoping he can shed some light on what the "grind" might be after the CU with my current template.
Either way, thank you again for the encouragement and may we all hold our lightsabers aloft in triumph of finishing the village!
I have finally managed to get past a bug with my software and logged into TC last night for the first time. I'm less concerned now than I was, although the combat is different and will take some getting used to. A guildmate of mine just got novice commando in TC, so I'm hoping he can shed some light on what the "grind" might be after the CU with my current template.
Either way, thank you again for the encouragement and may we all hold our lightsabers aloft in triumph of finishing the village!
DanoCollins
Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:05 am
#20
Ulrick wrote:
Thanks for the encouragement on the grind. Yes, I do believe it will be worth it for me personally in the end, and as such, I capped xp again last night and made the village run. What I have decided though is to continue to enjoy the game vs. just straight grind like a madman until the CU.
I have finally managed to get past a bug with my software and logged into TC last night for the first time. I'm less concerned now than I was, although the combat is different and will take some getting used to. A guildmate of mine just got novice commando in TC, so I'm hoping he can shed some light on what the "grind" might be after the CU with my current template.
Either way, thank you again for the encouragement and may we all hold our lightsabers aloft in triumph of finishing the village!
I logged into TC as well for the first time, but I couldn't get past the debris in the tutorial...lol............it wouldn't take damage from any weapon or attack. This was probably because I ran all the way to that point without talking to anyone or completing any steps prior.
I really don't mind the new icons, but I hate the refill time on the special boxes...it takes your eyes off of the action too often.
MaddamMakeover
Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:14 am
#21
Simple question
If i was to complete the village before the cu and start the pawdi trials after the cu would i need to group with others? maybe even jedi to finish the padi trials?
I can just see it now, a group of padi's whos only goal is to become jedi nights get turned into cat food by b/h every time they get together and step out the door.
Im trying to grind now (not even filled a box yet) and i can see my saber glowing in the distance. Its a long road and their r many dangers but the force willing i will get their.
DanoCollins
Tue Apr 12, 2005 7:27 am
#22
My feeling is that the trials will be adjusted to around where they are now. It would be a very poor choice for the devs to require Padawan grouping to finish this...but you never know.
MaddamMakeover wrote:
Simple question
If i was to complete the village before the cu and start the pawdi trials after the cu would i need to group with others? maybe even jedi to finish the padi trials?
I can just see it now, a group of padi's whos only goal is to become jedi nights get turned into cat food by b/h every time they get together and step out the door.
Im trying to grind now (not even filled a box yet) and i can see my saber glowing in the distance. Its a long road and their r many dangers but the force willing i will get their.
Esrek
Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:49 am
#23
ulrick,
I feel your pain, I myself decided to go ahead and try to finish the grind before the CU. I just started 2 nights ago and I have my first tree completed.
If everythig goes as planned, I should be able to unlock at the end of april. I waited to long to do this when I should've finished this long ago. I was dumb and dropped all my FS skills when I changed my template about 2 months ago. I dropped 3 complete trees.
I think if you really want it you can achieve it
I feel your pain, I myself decided to go ahead and try to finish the grind before the CU. I just started 2 nights ago and I have my first tree completed.
If everythig goes as planned, I should be able to unlock at the end of april. I waited to long to do this when I should've finished this long ago. I was dumb and dropped all my FS skills when I changed my template about 2 months ago. I dropped 3 complete trees.
I think if you really want it you can achieve it
murphy7
Tue Apr 12, 2005 8:55 am
#24
Ulrick, good for you and and I shall certainly /salute you cross servers once I have my lightsaber to lift in tribute.
Vaderian, what server are you on? Regardless of server, it can help to get in touch with a number of Weaponsmiths and see what you can do in barter/trade or finangling a deal one way or another. Another option is to auction off some of your vet rewards on the trade boards here. I sold my miniature XWing and C3PO to raise the funds for the grind, which worked out quite well.
I have a bit of optimism for the CU, but that tempered with patience. I'm not expecting it to be ideal out of the gate in May, but I do expect either it will get better over time, or I will.
spyvsspy0110
Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:40 am
#25
Well thank you to everyone for your positive replies. It's good to know that constructive posts can still exist on these forums.
I agree with what mostly everyone has said so far. Ido have a feeling that the grind will be different after the CU. If it's more immersive, that's great. If it's more difficult, well, I'll just have to deal with it then. Agood friend of mine started the FS grinda few months before me, and quit to play EQ2. I don't think I could do that unless SOE really, really, screws up this game, and I'd like to think(or hope) that it won't be too soon.Andwhen Ido quit someday, it won't be to gotoEQ2 or WoW. I like StarWars, not MMORPG's.
Ah, but I'm off topic again. At any rate, I will continue to press on until I reach Jedi. I haven't been buildingup to this for 1yr and 8 months to quit now. Good luck to all of you and may the changes in the next few weeks see you well.
Annastriana
Odek
Tue Apr 12, 2005 11:02 am
#26
The main problem I see with the CU is Grinding Jedi itself. They want to make SWG more of a group game and I am fine with that but I should have my Jedi right at CU switchover and low and behold it is now a group game and I will be playing a class that is penalized for playing in a group. That is my concern, if Jedi are supposed to solo as to not be noticed why will they get punished by gaining less XP when they are forced into soloing.
Overall I am very excited about the CU I just can't comprehend the logic in relation to Jedi.