Force Sensitive Archive
Thread: Petition : Convert Starship Pilot XP in FS xp
The reason they changed the name of Starship combat XP to Pilot Prestige, is because after you hit Ace, it doesn't represent further learning, It is a guage of your standing among other pilots. Since this thread wasn't specific as to whether you mean Starship or Prestige, I'll run down the fun list of most of the important reasons this should never ever ever happen.
1) Any form of xp is too easy to get in space. You can pop off gunboats all day and get 36k apiece.
2) there are Mastery bonuses for starship combat xp. If a person with 3 mastery bonus kills that gunboat, its 144k xp for about 30seconds of work. The masterbonus is to encourage pilots to try other squads without the pain of grinding, but would make the FS grind based on starship combat broken.
3) Prestige should go toward Space based content before anything else. JtL is less than a year old, and there was a lot left undone when it launched. The developers need time to implement Space based uses for that prestige before anything else. Using dev time to add space xps to the tired old FS ground content would take away from legitimate space development.
4) there is no cap on space prestige. xp caps and multiple trips to convert xp are an intentional part of the Village design. Allowing one pool of points with no cap means you could do 66% of your FS grind without a trip to the village, thus breaking that design. Implementing a cap on prestige would instantly shaft all the veteran pilots who are more interested in space than the ground, and alienate a major portion of the existing space population. The suggestion as stated would kill off the active and interested pilots and replace them with mindless FS grinders.
5) you guys have more than enough ways to get your glowbats, you don't really need another.
6) pilot doesnt cost skillpoints
Message Edited by CuchulainnDarklight on 08-01-2005 03:48 PM
From a Master Shipwright, Master Pilot in the three factions.... who loves space above everything else in this game
NO!
kthx
CuchulainnDarklight wrote:DEFINATELY NOT!Oh know its a jedi hater you scream!FYI, Im a JEDI myself and a PILOT since the JTL beta. I have been a JEDI for a month now and a pilot since the day JTL came out and in that time i have easily accumulated enough pilot XP to fill out my FS trees 5 times over at a 50 to 1 conversion ratio. Therefore I am much more qualified to comment on this subject than the original poster!I advise you to go to the PILOT forum and check out the posts on this same subject. 95% of pilots DO NOT want this idea implemented (whether they are normal/FS/jedi). It is always people who want the path to Jedi made even more easy than it currently is, and, it currently is very easy!In fact it only takes a couple of days of hunting every THREE week FS village phase to fill a FS tree with the post CU XP rates as a good combat template. Why would you need pilot XP too.In fact you have such lack of knowledge of pilot that you do not know that upon becoming a master pilot you know longer recieve XP but prestige instead. Which HAS its own current (and projected possible) uses! So you say MASTER pilots should be penalised JUST because they have reached the pinnacle of their profession.Of course if these problems I present arent enough for you then have a look at what SOE say! They have categorically stated over and over that the GROUND game (SWG) and the SPACE game(JTL) are two WHOLLY DIFFERENT and UNRELATED games, ESPECIALLY in relation to JEDI and FS, due to their playstyles! One is button bashing, random number computer dice rolls, the other is personal skill twitch based!YOU want to be a jedi in a day or two? Fair enough, bugger off and buy Jedi Academy!/bye
QFE!
Mafuw wrote:
At 50:1space xpwould be twice slower than ground combat xp... I think it will be right like that
The thing is just to add a new way to grind FS... Why wouldn't you be able to grind in space ? After all, devs always stated that you could be a jedi with any template... The fact it doesn't take skillpoints doesn't matter... Most people grind FS to become jedi, and in the end your starting template doesn't matter... Many people changed template to be able to grind using combat/weapon xp (most of them took commando 4000 for the uber grenade thing).
And that wouldn't give any unfair advantage to anyone... Unlike afk dancer/musicians, grenade throwers, etc...Yes, if you don't have JTL you can't grind that way, but who cares ? It's not the fastest way, it's just another way... Would bring more people in space... And more fun in the game
since when?? I can do 500-750k straight up in an hour, add in 300% for all 3 factions mastered and sit at 4444 pilot to grind and you can do 2-3mill xp at 50:1 that equal to 1.5 times faster, for this to be pausable first it'd have to be like 100:1 to be guaranteed slower AND converting prestige would make more sense.
regardless I'm actually against this sorry, no skill points = no FS xp to me
ElfDruid wrote:
Someguywholivesontatooine wrote:If you master a squadron, drop it and then do another squadron you get double exp on the second time round, so a tier 1 fighter that normally gives 100 exp gives 200 with your master pilot bonus.If you master and then drop a squadron and do a diffrent faction squad, ie do 2 reb then a freelance you get triple the experience for the third time.Very very very easy to get a million exp with one Arkons Havok black sun duty mission, takes 40 mins max. I have done this and just have the double bonus for doing all three reb squadrons. Add in the fact that there is a well known exploit to use master equipment at novice level and you could farm this mission for millions of exp a day and not even have to get your second Corvette.The conversion rate would have to be incredably high.Saying all that, its a lot more fun grinding in space than on the ground.Burt
So....we fix the fact that you can double xp that way and let us grind in space. Not ONLY is it more fun (as you've stated) but it would allow us to integrate the two games, which can only be beneficial in the long run.
Please, please, PLEASE, I am BEGGING you, take this proposal to the Pilot forum. PLEASE.
Space is the last refuge from the whiny, "I win" button craving little shets known as Jedi.
Add anything Jedi-related to space, and i'm out of here. Simple as.
thamzeo wrote:
no, just no.. bh's would want to be able to hunt the jedi grinding in space, then the jedi would want force powers in space >< leave it as it is, no FS conversion in any pilot xp's.
This is the only way id say YES!
BHs hunting in space, the return of serious BF and wounds in space and 5 times the XP loss to show how deadly hard vacumn is.
If you want to use force powers in space you can rack that up to 20 times the XP loss per kill and perma death after 5 space deaths.
As a jedi I would love that! As a pilot I would love that! As a whiny "I need everything easier for me" child I would hate that!
Treena_Daal wrote:
ElfDruid wrote:
Someguywholivesontatooine wrote:
If you master a squadron, drop it and then do another squadron you get double exp on the second time round, so a tier 1 fighter that normally gives 100 exp gives 200 with your master pilot bonus.
If you master and then drop a squadron and do a diffrent faction squad, ie do 2 reb then a freelance you get triple the experience for the third time.
Very very very easy to get a million exp with one Arkons Havok black sun duty mission, takes 40 mins max. I have done this and just have the double bonus for doing all three reb squadrons. Add in the fact that there is a well known exploit to use master equipment at novice level and you could farm this mission for millions of exp a day and not even have to get your second Corvette.
The conversion rate would have to be incredably high.
Saying all that, its a lot more fun grinding in space than on the ground.
Burt
So....we fix the fact that you can double xp that way and let us grind in space. Not ONLY is it more fun (as you've stated) but it would allow us to integrate the two games, which can only be beneficial in the long run.
Please, please, PLEASE, I am BEGGING you, take this proposal to the Pilot forum. PLEASE.
Heh, dang Treena, that's like pushing a nuna into the Sarlacc pit.