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All my friends sem to think that tkm armor disappears when you equip lightsaber, dunno why , guess it prevent jedi for stacking up. a btw best way to grind jedi is , to drop all your skills, and start form lvl 1 or so with your training saber, with a lvl 80 jedi, nothing gives xp, so being tkm would be bad

Depends on what you mean by defences. I have better melee/ranged defense stats with my LS unequipped. But i believe that TKA Innate Armor works untill you get more Jedi Innate armor (from Jedi Defender), regardless if LS is equipped or not.

hmm, im turning Jedi next phase so I am trying to figure out best template to havewhen grinding, one thatsfast and with nobigproblems...

Having experience with this I can say that you loose a great deal of defense with a saber equipped vs. being bare handed.

I can also state that TK armor does NOT work with a saber in hand tested and verified in combat logs,by holding many different weapons,and yes i know that defense does impact actual damage,by stacking varios forms of clothing I acheived within 10 points of the same defense as TKM.

End result is that innate tkm armor does not exist when ANY weapon other than unarmed is equipped and I have doubts about some of those that are supposed to be tk weapons.

Ok, so what template would you suggest to have when turning Jedi? What would be the best one?

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belder wrote:
All my friends sem to think that tkm armor disappears when you equip lightsaber, dunno why , guess it prevent jedi for stacking up. a btw best way to grind jedi is , to drop all your skills, and start form lvl 1 or so with your training saber, with a lvl 80 jedi, nothing gives xp, so being tkm would be bad

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Hmm. I went Master Swordsman Master Fencer 0404 TKM for when I go Jedi (september) with master prowess and 44xx reflexes, when I become a jedi I'll have a general melee accuracy of 207, melee defence of 235 and range defence of 170 and TKM innate armor +30.

Novice Lightsaber would bring the totals to 222 general accuracy, and a +25 LS accuracy giving me a total of 247 accuracy at novice LS.

Would you still recomend droping all of that when I hit jedi?

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PFD wrote:

Having experience with this I can say that you loose a great deal of defense with a saber equipped vs. being bare handed.

I can also state that TK armor does NOT work with a saber in hand tested and verified in combat logs,by holding many different weapons,and yes i know that defense does impact actual damage,by stacking varios forms of clothing I acheived within 10 points of the same defense as TKM.

End result is that innate tkm armor does not exist when ANY weapon other than unarmed is equipped and I have doubts about some of those that are supposed to be tk weapons.

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I have TKM and about 100 pts invested in Jedi.... the TKA innate armor ABSOLUTELY DOES work (48% reduction all the time, as long as you dont equip other physical armor). It works if you're unarmed, if you're holding a lightsaber, if you're holding a rifle, etc...

I don't know what this guy's testing method was, but somthing in it was flawed....

COB also works. you can't have the LS equipped when you start the COB, but it stays fully functional if you re-equip it. Also, if you use powers, all the TKA mods can still apply full time, since you can be unarmed and use powers.

TKA is VERY useful to jedi.

TKA armor works untill the Jedi toughness/defense thing is higher than it

and when is that?

"Having experience with this I can say that you loose a great deal of defense with a saber equipped vs. being bare handed.

I can also state that TK armor does NOT work with a saber in hand tested and verified in combat logs,by holding many different weapons,and yes i know that defense does impact actual damage,by stacking varios forms of clothing I acheived within 10 points of the same defense as TKM.

End result is that innate tkm armor does not exist when ANY weapon other than unarmed is equipped and I have doubts about some of those that are supposed to be tk weapons."

This is sheer bs. I have tested this also, and TK's innate armor does stack while using other weapons. Using respec, a bh/tka and rifleman/tka combo both gained the same armor bonus while using ranged weapons. If you add armor is where you start to get problems, I believe.

Message Edited by Lightningflier on 05-26-2005 02:59 AM

As my signature says I'm Master Brawler, Master TK, Master Pikeman, Medic 0020, Swordman 0040 and the nautral armor works with thouse classes. I can wear no weapon and get from 2 lvl over my lvl moobs around 160 dmg (without CoB) same goes for the other weapons all. Yes I use pistols, rifles and carbines too to cap all the xp to trade them in as fs xp.
Natural armor fails when wearing an armor.
As far as jedi natural armor goes they don't stuck but the higher one is used.
All tested