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Thread: Rapiers in time.

Kalbikalya
Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:25 am
#1


I know SWG doesn’t have any rapiers and this has nothing to with the game but hear me out. When people say fencer two thinks come to mind, the Olympics and the three Musketeers. There’s a lot of history in this sword and I though my fellow fencers would like to know more about the rapier (or at least see some pic’s…and if any dev’er needs any ideas for a new weapons)


The rapier started by evolving from the broadsword. At first, those Olympics style foils where big hulky slash weapons. Here’s a mid 1400’s, back sword rapier. How do I know it’s a rapier? It has a place to put your finger over the cross guard. By placing your finger over the bar you gain better control over the point.


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/2976_M.jpg


You can start to see a more elaborate guard and thinner blades, mid 1500’s, side sword or transition sword. As blades became faster and lighter, hands become a bigger target, protection became more important.


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/2988_M.jpg


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/2856_M.jpg


late 1500’s, you can see the blades are getting skinner.


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/2897_M.jpg


early 1600’s, kinda a three musketeer looking ring hilt.


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/2996_M.jpg


late 1600’s you start seeing little thin epee blade.


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/1900_M.jpg


late 1600’s early 1700’s cup hilt


http://www.darkwoodarmory.com/pix/1881_M.jpg


Firearms start to become wide spread. Melee weapons start to takesecond place to the ball and powder muskets.


In the 1700’s the foil was developed and the decline of rapier starts. From here it really turns into a sport as much as a way to defend ones honor.


Here’s a good little article about the history of fencing.


http://library.thinkquest.org/15340/historyessay.html


An in-depth article about rapiers and how it changed. (This is long and assumes you have a basic knowledge sword play)


http://swordforum.com/articles/ams/char-rapier.php


notes: All the pic’s come from the darkwood armory site and the owners collection. I’ve had handled all the weapons showed. All rapiers I’ve posted are reproductions of museum peaces.


/raspberry anyone who complains about clickys.

Brainplay
Wed Oct 13, 2004 6:00 am
#2

Great info and research there. Thanks to Hollywood the term "fencing" has been used and abused so much that only thestuff we see at the Olympics is considered "fencing". From Asia to Europe the term "fencer" meant anyone who was proficient with a sword while the act was termed "fencing" or "swordplay".


Hollywood is also responsible for the belief that thrusting was the primary method of attack even though Olympic sport fencing included a section for "saber" rules. I still get laughs from reenactment groups who wont allow slashing or draw-cuts to the legs or head and expect everyone to believe "thats the way it was done back then".


Only one thing I disagree with you on there and thats the first sword. The method of putting your finger across the quillions (crossguard) gave you extra torque on an attack allowing you more power and bend to get around your opponents shield/buckler/sword while still retaining decent control. The downsides were that it also left your finger vulnerable to "early amputation" (the crossguard was intended as a blocking only device and was always made of steel) and made the sword difficult to manuever. The rest of the hand was also exposed to danger since you could use "full" gauntets and had to settle for "half" styles or the "lamellar" which offered much less protection from cutting or crushing attacks. That handguard is nice and pretty but the first hitthats not dead center will twist that blade around in your hand no matter how hard you hold it...trust me on that one.


We also have to remember that even back then people weren't immune to turning a perfectly good weapon into a flowery mantlepiece devoid of actual function (gold plated blades..../shudder)





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Daigoro202
Wed Oct 13, 2004 8:02 am
#3

Good points.


The use of the term Fencer runs parallel to the way the early 20th Century and 19th century historians referred to non-Western unarmed forms of combat as "Boxing."


You can certainly trace the origins of the actual term "fencing" through Western History, but the term was adopted for generic use.






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