Fencer Archive

Thread: This is a time for action not mourning

TheHammer317
Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:22 am
#1


In this time of change when MineRunner is stepping down lets not let the Fencer proffession go on hold, lets not get held back and not get our voices heard in the CU, things are moving fast right now, we need to make our voice heard. Who ever the next Corro. will be will have some big shoes to fill (i heard MineRunner wears a size 19... )

I propose that we set up some "unofficial" fencer tests and what not and get them outta the way so that either MineRunner can report to the devs what is needed and what is not, and the next Corro has some ground to stand on when he/she takes office. I am on mostly every night i have been toying with fencer off and on, on TC-EP3, i have gone on TC-Bria or ne of those other ones yet, im guessing there are frogs there, mayb some of our fencer friends from those servers can help us out with better than stock equipment that u get from the Frogs.

I think we should do tests of Mobility, Flexability, i am thinkin about dropping fencer from my character all together and trying to grind it out so mayb if some other ppl want to do that also we can find what the best place/critters to grind on are, what weapons to use, what armor to use (since armor now hinders your speed and movement) ill start a list here of all the tests we should be doing that i can think of, if u have ne more please post them and ill add them to the list, also please post if u would like to help with a certain test and when u can be or are on, and what ur characters name is and what TestCenter your on...


- Where to getXP(what planet has the best critters for your character/skill level)

Naboo

Corellia

Tatooine

Talus

Endor

Rori

Dantooine

Yavin4

Dathomir

- What to kill for XP (what missions to pick or what lairs to find) on...

Naboo
Corellia

Tatooine

Talus

Endor

Rori

Dantooine

Yavin4

Dathomir

- What weapons to use

Novice Brawler thru Novice

Novice Fencer thru Master

Do you want to use the same weapon all the way through, if you need to change weapons for better DPS or accuracy or what not, what do you want to change to and why

- What armor to wear

Novice Brawler up thru Novice Fencer

Novice Fencer up thru the trees

Master Fencer

How does it effect you differently if you have different armor (ie: Heavier armor means you can last longer against higher level creatures but you cant move as well or do as much dmg, Lighter armor means you can move and hit for more but you wont last as long)

- What skills to have before or with Fencer

Do you want to have Medic before hand?

Do you want Master Brawler before or after Novice/Master Fencer

- What Skills to level up first?

What skill trees do we want to level upin first?

- What are good support skills for a Fencer (ie: new Fencer templates)

Fencer + Ranged

Rifleman

Pistoleer

Carbineer

Commando

Bounty Hunter

Smuggler

Fencer + Melee

Swordsman

Pikeman

Teras Kasi

Master Brawler

Fencer + Medical

Medic

Doctor

Combat Medic

Fencer + Support

Squad Leader

Creature Handler (might be kinda hard if we cant get any higher level pets)

Scout

Ranger

Force Sensative (not sure if we can test this yet)

Fencer + Other (this is pretty much a test of how fencer holds up on its own)

All Artisian Proff's

All EntertainerProff's

Politican

Pilot

- Grouping Tactics

Grouping with characters of a higher level than you

Grouping with characters of a lower level than you

Grouping with characters of the same level as you

Grouping with mixed level characters

Grouping with pets (faction and nonfaction)

Do you want a well rounded group (ie: Ranged, Melee, Support, Healer)

Do you want a biased group (ie: All or mostly Melee/Ranged)

What type of group benefits or complements your abilities best

What type of group do you complement best

-Beta/Bug Testing

Go out and kill(or try to kill) the level critters that are asked of us by the Devs in the different phases of testing

-Test how a Solo Fencer can stand up to the different level critters/mobs

-Test how a Grouped Fencer(s) can stand up to the different level critters/mobs

Find any major or minor bugs

Report them in detail so they can be fixed



After all this, or enough of, this info is aquired i will start compiling an allinclusive Fencer FAQ for the CU.


My characters are Eggnogand Dark-Striker on the Scylla server

and on TC-EP3 my name is -iGGy-

im on between 12noon eastern to about 12midnite eastern depending on my work schedule.



(please note this post will be a work in progress so any corrections that need to be made please add them, and please dont flame me)

Message Edited by TheHammer317 on 04-19-2005 07:27 AM





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Rabenschwinge
Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:01 am
#2

hmm...
Well this incorporates some relatively old points of view.
Which creatures you hunt depends on you level and whom you are fighting with. It may or may not be helful to group... grouping with characters much higher than you is a two bladed sword. Grouping with characters of your own level is next to always very helpful.
Which weapon you use depends on you innitial level. I don't think to all these questions can be found an overall answer.

But in the current testing phase it is more important to find out where the bugs and describe them as well as possible. And find out what a bug is and what not. I am damn curious if it is really right that not a single one-handed weapon the frog gave me has an accuracy bonus.

As for templates: I am concerned that master brawler became virtually worthless if you haven't got all three brawler branches anyway, but virtually all thinkable combinations make sense in a way. One of the points of the CU was to give every character something unique. Some skill boxes are better than others, but in the end it is hard to say way is better than the other, ways are just different.

But seriously, this upgrade needs bug testing. Not us figuring out how we can powergame the most advantage out of it. This can wait until it is live.




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TheHammer317
Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:16 am
#3

i think ur right, and its not necessarily a post to help "powergame" but i see what ur sayin...


althought some of this should be looked into now, if we dont try leveling up and running missions and doing all the stuff to work the proff to its limts we wont run into ne bugs im sure they have played around with this in private testing a bit and they know that if say you equip a baton it crashes, but we need to go and xp and try to train and get all these mid level boxes as we go and find out if certain things dont work when they should or do when they shouldnt, diff kinds of things


and yea i did leave out the grouping topics, gonna add that in right now





---------Eggnog------------------Retired------------------Ministry Of Defense - Council Member----------------Voted #1 Best Commando in Post CU PvP--------


---------The ORIGINAL Area Rooter & Master of the Root Cannon--------

PoppaBear
Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:45 am
#4


This is from last night;


Spot: Narglatch Cave (Naboo)


Professions:



  • Master Fencer

  • Master Ranger

Armor



  • Padded Armor

  • Marauder Armor

Weapons:



  • RSF Sword

  • Marauder Sword

  • Acid Sword

  • Junti Mace

Race



  • Twi'lek (still don't know if this will be of any significance)

Perma-use ability



  • Center of Being

Ran into a group of Narglatch Guardians (3) by the entrance, and ran into the middle of them, using Binding Strike on all of them, then Bleed Attack, also using the RSF Sword. This is a good sword and does good damage, but when I switched to the Marauder Sword, the kitties started regenerating fast. REAL fast! I tried to reapply my beginning attacks to see if it made a difference, but no dice. Then:



  • switched to the Junti Mace: same result as the Marauder Sword

  • switched to Acid Sword: Bleed Attack+Scatterhit+Bodyhit=3 hit kill! This has to be a bug!

I cleared one sideof the lair still wearing my Padded Armor, using the Acid Sword, and using the attacked described above, but had a bit of a harder time with the Female Narglatches. Lunging them seems to work, but if you follow up with another attack, they pop right back up immediately, and their health was restored.


Before I started clearing out the other side, I switched to Marauder Armor, my RSF Sword, and used:



  • Binding Strike

  • Bleed Attack

  • Lunge

  • Scatterhit

  • Bodyhit

  • Blind Attack

Blind Attack works wonders on these beasts, as they started hitting me less, but when they would hit, they took off lots of damage. It seems the Marauder Armor doesn't offer the protection that Padded Armor does. I wouldn't apply states to the kitties just to see how hard I was getting hit, and I was getting hit pretty hard. Applying CoB while wearing M.Armor, I would say, is a must while fighting these beasts, as well as being stalked up on stims. Again, Lunge works good here, but seems to keep them down longer with the RSF Sword.


Just my 2 cents in for testing. I've been testing lots of stuff, but with school, it's hard for me to type things out. I still haven't tested Tuskens out yet, or other NPC's, but I'm going to torture the Tuskens next, then the Sennex Cave, and finally all the Witches of Dathomir will be hounded by me.


See ya'll out there!


Message Edited by PoppaBear on 04-19-2005 09:19 AM



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kAotiC_HeRo
Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:47 pm
#5

We need to start getting some Template Testers going. Designate a certain person for each type of Melee artist to use with Fencer.


Example:


1 Tester = Master Fencer / Master Teras Kasi

1 Tester = Master Fencer / Master Pikeman

1 Tester = Master Fencer / Master Swordsman

1 Tester = Master Fencer / Master Teras Kasi / Medic (As much SP as you can get into Medic)


ETC

ETC

ETC


Have a group of Fencer Testing solely to determine REAL grouping roles and damage types, best places for Group Hunting and Solo Hunting, Best mobs, How each profession fairs against the Higher Level Mobs ( CL50+ )




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kAotiC_HeRo
Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:49 pm
#6

I can probably set up the Guild Hall when I get back to Houston Next week and we can Test some of these things out to get some hard data out, especially numbers, Armor mitigations, Weapon's, Specials, Etc.



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TheHammer317
Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:56 am
#7

sounds good make sure u post WP to the hall


and Poppa... did u see how the Acid Sword stacks up with the others cause for some reason i remember the DPS being high on it. also what are their resists like? i have yet to get to that cave, what is the lvl of the narglaches?





---------Eggnog------------------Retired------------------Ministry Of Defense - Council Member----------------Voted #1 Best Commando in Post CU PvP--------


---------The ORIGINAL Area Rooter & Master of the Root Cannon--------

ARC_Casper
Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:04 am
#8

I have been doing some Fencer testing =) if anyone wants to contact me to help me out feel free too. I am one of the Fencer Alpha testers. Charcters are Gunit, and Cazper.

Gunit is currently stuck CTD'ing on Kasyyyk so he is out of commision until they patch =P. So drop me a line on Cazper.

Also I threw my hat in the ring to be our next Correspondent. Good luck to who ever gets the position, I think we can make Fencer one of the best Professions in the game, I really think it is one of the best professions now in the CU.

Message Edited by ARC_Casper on 04-22-2005 05:06 AM




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TheHammer317
Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:07 am
#9

lol but yea, ive been grindin jedi ballz to teh wall to get as much XP as i can before CU but i think im gonna take a day or 2 (today and 2morrow sound good) and just do Fencer stuff in the CU beta my characters name is -iGGy- (posted above) ill add u to my friends list though





---------Eggnog------------------Retired------------------Ministry Of Defense - Council Member----------------Voted #1 Best Commando in Post CU PvP--------


---------The ORIGINAL Area Rooter & Master of the Root Cannon--------

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