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Thread: Lunge 2?

Phantom25
Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:44 am
#1

I was looking at the SWG reasource center under the heading of skills and it claims that Lunge 2 exsists as a skill along the 1Hmelee tree. Then looking at there skill trees to see when you get it, I failed to find it anywhere. Does this skill really exsist cause I don't see it under any of t he fencer headings.



Thanks for the help,




Azre'el Blain

RockMancuso
Mon Aug 18, 2003 6:54 am
#2

I don't know where you saw this, but it is wrong. You can get 1hLunge2 from getting Master Brawler. Otherwise you have Lunge1 which you get at Novice Brawler, or Intermediate 1h.



Hope this helps...



Rob

Subtil_Serpent
Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:12 am
#3

Heya...quick question about Lunge 2...


Does it seem to keep the target in the posture change longer? or is it merely a "boost" to the chance of getting a target to posture change.


Thanks.





- Cerf Agile

Fencer Extraordinaire

Member of the Techno Union, Eclipse


"...men went to bed with the dream, and they didn't like it when they woke up with the reality..."


jokecamp
Mon Aug 18, 2003 10:37 am
#4

I thought it was extended range for using lunge. Anyone know exactly how much farther the range is?



Zareo
Master Doctor
Aleic
Mon Aug 18, 2003 11:42 am
#5

Lunge 2 does a full knockdown when successful, and it has a range of about 15m.
jokecamp
Tue Aug 19, 2003 6:33 am
#6

Wow 15 meters is pretty far. What are you guy's opinions think its worth it?





Zareo
Master Doctor
KaliMirchi
Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:09 am
#7

I'm curious myself.... and have asked this question before, but ::sniff:: didn't get an answer.... Has anyone trained Fencer after going for Master Brawler? Were the additional stats MB gives you worth it?




Thanks,



Seena




SYRI, Mistress of Melee. Serious Melee Weapons for Intelligent Meleers. It ISN'T always about Damage!
I've been a successful melee combatant since launch. I know melee.
Short ride SE of Coronet. 804 - 5348

Haschel
Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:44 am
#8

I talked with my friend about this. Honestly, the real reasons you went Master Brawler were from Intimidate 2, Beserk2,and Lunge2. Warcry's mediocre at best and the stat boosts aren't particularly significant. After the 'zerk nerf, Beserk2 is actually harmful. (2 minutes with only a 75 damage boost and the inability to use specials? No thanks.) Lunge2's still useful and so is Intimidate.



Galford
Master Fencer, Master Brawler, Teras Kasi Artist 0/0/0/4, Doctor 0/0/0/1 (Skill points: 2/250....bah)
Eclipse

"I'll show you that no matter how hard they try, scum are still scum." - Vesper, Star Ocean 2
_Tlaloc_
Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:01 am
#9

I'm not a master brawler, so I can't really comment... but I will anyway


My understanding of Lunge2 is that it's identical to hitting Lunge1 twice.


The person is not actually Knucked Down - which would imply they are on their back. Instead, they are just forced prone (on their stomach).


This is not quite as powerful as an actual Knockdown, since they can still shoot back at you while prone (assuming they have ranged attacks). That being said, Lunge2 has a great range, and is great for stopping people running from you... I'm just not certain it does it any better than Lunge1 (which forces them to kneel).


As people have stated, the other benefits you get from Master Brawler do look very nice... and as a whole, they offer quite a carrot to the would-be Master Brawler.


- Washu

KaliMirchi
Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:05 am
#10

Thanks guys, for your replies.







Seena





SYRI, Mistress of Melee. Serious Melee Weapons for Intelligent Meleers. It ISN'T always about Damage!
I've been a successful melee combatant since launch. I know melee.
Short ride SE of Coronet. 804 - 5348

Haschel
Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:52 am
#11






_Tlaloc_ wrote:

I'm not a master brawler, so I can't really comment... but I will anyway


My understanding of Lunge2 is that it's identical to hitting Lunge1 twice.


The person is not actually Knucked Down - which would imply they are on their back. Instead, they are just forced prone (on their stomach).


This is not quite as powerful as an actual Knockdown, since they can still shoot back at you while prone (assuming they have ranged attacks). That being said, Lunge2 has a great range, and is great for stopping people running from you... I'm just not certain it does it any better than Lunge1 (which forces them to kneel).


As people have stated, the other benefits you get from Master Brawler do look very nice... and as a whole, they offer quite a carrot to the would-be Master Brawler.


- Washu





Incorrect! I've seen Lunge2 in action and I've certainly talked to people that have it. It's a true KD.



Galford
Master Fencer, Master Brawler, Teras Kasi Artist 0/0/0/4, Doctor 0/0/0/1 (Skill points: 2/250....bah)
Eclipse

"I'll show you that no matter how hard they try, scum are still scum." - Vesper, Star Ocean 2
_Tlaloc_
Tue Aug 19, 2003 1:26 pm
#12

WOOOHOOO!!!


I did't know it was a real KD - the description looks like a double lunge. Hmm... 15 meter Knockdown...


I think I might pick up Master Brawler while I still have points to spare. I'm all giddy


- Washu

muldon
Tue Aug 19, 2003 7:14 pm
#13

I AM a Master Brawler.


Lunge2 (regardless of which version, Unarmed, 1H, 2H, pole) will do a KNOCKDOWN. It has a large range (yes, 15m.. but lag sometimes is annoying, so sometimes things 9m away on your screen are actually further away if they're running away from you.. I think this is more of a bug, rather than lag, and needs to be addressed because of the kiting problem).


However, Lunge2 doesn't ALWAYS knockdown, even if it hits. It will do so more often than not, however. I would rate it at 7 out of 8 successful hits will do a knockdown.


It does pathetic damage, though, but it's main purpose is knockdown. I can easily solo yellow-cons. I can also kill most red-cons, though ranged ones that kite you are annoying (like those freaking corsecs), usually you can Lunge2 to reach them.


In my opinion, I am very glad I went Master Brawler, because the Lunge2s are superb.


-Greven


Imirz
Master Brawler
Valcyn

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