Fencer Archive

The Acid Blade art file is in your client files, it was intended to be put in at some point as a fencer weapon they just never coded the stats for it.

There are a couple other art files for swords some more likely two handed than one, and I have it on good authority that there are several other art files in the non live code database all swords that I know of, just waiting in the wings.

Though there is no indication that we will see any new weapon for Fencer in the CU, we might could be getting one durring the Profession Revamp after the CU.

Actually they could code Lightsabers to work with their Melee Master Counterpart, and code in a damage reduction when used by non Jedi.

Of course the drawback would likely be getting on the terminals, but some of us would like that.

The inability to block ranged shots, the lack of Lightsaber Defense/toughness, combined with a slight reduction of damage, as well as the inability to tune crystals or craft sabers, would in my mind signifigently offset the fact that they are Jedi weapons.

And the fact is they were non Jedi weapons long before they were used by Jedi (who used to use Swords/Vibroswords before non Force Sensitives invented Light Foils the precurser of Lightsabers.)

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Minerunner wrote:
The inability to block ranged shots, the lack of Lightsaber Defense/toughness, combined with a slight reduction of damage Anything without any sort of defense for it in the hands of a regular player is just screaming for a nerf. Could you imagine a defense stacker with an energy blade that bypassed armor? They wouldn't need to block any shots....

as well as the inability to tune crystals or craft sabers, would in my mind signifigently offset the fact that they are Jedi weapons. Once a crystal is tuned only the person who tuned it can use it. That kinda hampers anyone's ability to use them other than Jedi unless they revamp them...again. /shudder

And the fact is they were non Jedi weapons long before they were used by Jedi (who used to use Swords/Vibroswords before non Force Sensitives invented Light Foils the precurser of Lightsabers.)
I can't find any reference to this other than fan fiction. The swords yes but light foils no. Could you point me in the right direction? Also if non-force sensitives had really discovered such a devestating weapon why wasn't the technology spread galaxy wide or more popular?

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Leave the glowsticks to Jedi and the blunt weapons for the backs of Dev's heads. I want a weapon that looks like a sword and vibrates.

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From the Coompletey Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia at Force.net (http://www1.theforce.net/cuswe/):

Lightfoil
this form of dueling weapon was popular in Tapani Sector. It was modeled after the lightsabers of the Jedi Knights, but was much smaller and not as powerful or energy-efficient as the Jedi weapon. However, they were just as dangerous. The original lightfoils were formed after a cache of lightsabers were found in the holding of House Pelagia several years after the Jedi Purge. They became popular among young nobles, but Emperor Palpatine soon learned of their existence. He sent his Dark Side Adepts to confiscate the blades, but not before the basic technology was copied and used to create lightfoils. A separate social structure emerged in Tapani Sector because of the formal rivalries between houses, known as the Saber Rakes.

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Like so much of SWG content, this material actually comes from the pen and paper game. A poster here several months back was championing the lightfoil. From what I understand, the lightsaber did come first.

But, I posted parts of an SW Insider article a while back about how the Jedi points of contact were derived from techniques used with real, non-powered swords. This article refers to these moves as Cho Mok, Cho Sun, etc:

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Marks of Contact
All Jedi forms involve the same "marks of contact", target objectives organized as categories of damage lightsaber-wielders can inflict upon their opponents. In the names of these marks, the language of the earliest Jedi sages has come down unaltered to us today. The ancient traditional marks of contact help focus a Jedi`s attacks and defenses on a few clear categories rather than diffusing awareness across an infinite number of possibilities.

Damage or destroy weapon (sun djem)
The early Form I users tried to gain victory by destroying the opponents weapon. This way they won without causing injury. When Form II arose, it became almost impossible to destroy the other's weapon, since they trained intensly to against having their weapons taken or damaged.

Wound (shiim)
Any wound caused by the edge of the lightsaber is called shiim. It is considered inferior to other marks of contact that are more decisive to the battle's end. When it occurs, it is seen as an expression of a struggle against powerfull opponent.

Stab (shiak)
This mark of contact is considered to be an honorable method of inflicting a serious injury, because it is less visible. Thus shiak expresses respect for an opponent and the living Force. Even when it is the fatal blow.

Cut off weapon hand (cho mai)
Cho mai immediately makes that the opponent can no longer use his weapon, but does not kill him. It is a preferred Jedi move. The precision of cutting off only a hand is considered the mark of a superior lightsaber master.

Many Jedi stop at this mark, not willing to kill their opponent.

Cut off weapon arm (cho sun)
Cutting of an entire weopan arm lacks the precision of a cho mai, but is often necessary when under surpise attack, or when no chances can be taken.

Otherwise maim (cho mok)
This is cutting off an opponents legg or other limb, or by non-humans, an other appendage.

Behead (sai cha)
Derived from the ancient words for "separate" and "head". It is only used by Jedi when the battle is at it's most deadly serious and threatening.

Cut body in half (sai tok)
Jedi see the bisection of a living opponent's body a form of butchery and try to avoid this. They use this extreme form mostly on battle droids. Sai tok represents a Sith-like desire to destroy the enemy. The goal of a Jedi in battle is an inner focus on defeating the danger of the opponent, rather than wishing destruction upon them.

(This was where I posted it originally:

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=fencer&message.id=26055#M26055 )

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I believe this article was published before the Fencer moves were conceived, so SWG seems to suggest retroactively that the sword form that fencers pratice is a very old one, and that it had some influence on the Jedi, if not in actual technique, then terminology.

But, back to the Lightfoil, it actually was some parties' attempt to emulate the lightsaber. I do like this "Saber Rake" idea, as it suggests a dueling subculture in the SWG era. (Brainplay, yeah, I think even the SW authors have been subject to the way people can confuse Olympic and theatrical fencing with real swordsmanship.)

Minerunner, with a master-level saber cert, would the saber use the non-jedi profession's specials and modifiers, and what kind of advantage would this give if you were trained in the corresponding saber tree, and could tune sabers and use them to the full potential? I believe you may have had an answer for this in the past, but I can't remember off hand.

Message Edited by Daigoro202 on 11-23-2004 01:15 PM