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Thread: I really don't care for this PvP crap (repost)
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Protilious
Tue Mar 16, 2004 11:55 am
#1
Hello- I just posted this in the pistoleer section. But because I also really enjoy fencing, I wanted to just repost it here for your (the fencers) advice:
Hi,
I'm a pistoleer: 0,1,2,1 and fencer 0,1,2,1. I am also a master doc. I admit, I am green at PvP in this game and really work on being a support type 'master doc' the most. I have played many first person shooters and basically, nothing that really compares with how a 'battle' works in the SWG universe. That being said....
I have to tell you a brief story so you can understand my immense frustration.
Me and four friends went to dathomir (on Corbantis server) last night. We wanted to do some Rancor missions for huge xp. The only way we can get rancor missions is for my longtime playing friend to go overt imperial, whip out his AT ST and group it with us as we hit the mission terminal.Here's the rest of my friend's stats:
Longtime playing friend is a master pikeman/master ranger.
Friend 1 is a novice TKA, about a third up to master
Friend 2 is a novice BH with something else (can't remember)
Friend 3 is a master doc (but I honestly can't remember his combat skill)
So the five of us stand there, pull some missions and all hell breaks lose. My experienced friend gets attacked while mounting his speeder bike by a rebel. The rebel hits him instantly with 'dizzy' attacks and my friend is completely unable to defend himself.
He yells at us to help. I know we will all die, but he doesn't want to lose his ATST. I have also literally *just buffer* all of us. That's about 50K worth of buffs.
We attack, I notice out of all my pistol shots (half specials, half normal shots, as I'm running in circles) hit for a total of TWO TIMES for about 130 damage each. Within 8-10 seconds I am dead and so are all of my other friends. The attacking rebel is nearly at 100% health., and is now killing my friends AT-ST.
What a price to pay for a rancor mission, eh?
It was really dissapointing. Not that we were attacked, but that 5 people of different complimentary skills and some master, AND an AT ST could not do a thing. NOTHING.
My friend went on to explain things like 'damage mitigation' and 'defense stacking' problems. It didn't matter. For me the killer of this whole rediculous moment is that we all died!! I don't care what you are, what you claim to have stacked, 4 people in decent skiill levels + at-st attacking one (non jedi) guy should be overkill! NOT A LOSING BATTLE.
What a crock of bantha dung.
Is pistoleer really that useless? I think I only hit twice... *maybe* three times and I could see no negligble damage on the rebel attacker. We were all armoured up with good armour. We all have some of the best weapons our professions allow. So I ask, is this the sort of outcome I should expect to live with?
Would I have been better off switching to stun baton and cracking him in the head? He didn't seem to care to run. He did do some TKA stuff on two of my friends. For myself, I think I was shot two times and died. Thus, I didn't have any time to heal myself between him aiming his barrel and pulling the trigger.
I literally only lived as long as he did because he had to waste 8 seconds on killing my other 3 friends. So I feel REALLY lucky <insert sarcastic eye roll here>.
Any advice? It was so terrible and one sided, I can only imagine how broken a trained jedi is. I have only been playing for a month and do not like this PvP inbalance in the least.
Would fencer do me better in a situation like this?
Gairnok
Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:46 pm
#2
Your all weak? He was master? What's not to understand? A master especialy one that is a stacker is going to take out 3-5 novice's fairly easy.
Defense stacking is getting fixed supposedly. But still don't expect to take out a master with a bunch of low level novices.
Rezael
Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:56 pm
#3
Fully Buffed, Fully Armored in 80%+ Composite, Drugged up, Fooded up, template master, will kill 8-10 novices before even getting hit. If someone is "PVP READY" and you are not, you are in a bad way. Personally I have been able to go on killing sprees and solo like 5-8 imperials before getting taken down by another "PVP READY" person.
So Master a Combat Profession, and Learn how to use it in PVP situations.
and you will stay alive much longer, and furthermore, I eat AT-ST's for breakfast.
So Master a Combat Profession, and Learn how to use it in PVP situations.
and you will stay alive much longer, and furthermore, I eat AT-ST's for breakfast.
Confusion12345
Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:57 pm
#4
And I don't think you mentioned what profession(s) the Rebel was, or what equipment he had....
Gimme-Cigar
Tue Mar 16, 2004 3:15 pm
#5
just to add my 2 cents...
It's a civil war so overts take the risk of being attacked, period.
AT-ST should be used for killing Rebs not farming animals 
Most people work hard to get to master so they should be hard to kill by non masters.
Like has been stated, stacking has been sorted in the main now so fencer/pistoleer template is no longer virtually invincible as it used to be.
I hope the experience does not ruin your fun in future but if I I do laugh when I get the most horrible tells from Imps I have killed saying things like " you ***hole, I was just here to buy something off bazaar" or "I never attacked you so why did you attack me". For heavens sake...
PVP death has no decay and it makes the game more interesting.
Nathanielstarr
Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:46 pm
#7
Funny thing is if the Rebel was a Master Combat Medic you'd have suffered the same results only faster even.
Tlk
Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:08 am
#8
Why didn't your overt friend tell you there was an overt rebel? Only way for him to have been attacked. Did he not see the red dot? Also, only one of you were a master elite combatant, you are a master doctor, you could have healed his state. 50k for buffs? As a master doctor it did not cost you 50k to buff 5 people, only need about 200 avian meat and gas. Soo, you were ambushed, the attacker made good use of tactics and you were beat. By the way pistoleer is an awesome profession. But you need to be master to confront another master elite profession (for the speed, specials, and accuracy). There is no way a master fencer can kill a master pistoleer if the pistoleer keeps 30m between them.
TylaSraedie
Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:09 am
#9
Protilious wrote:I don't care what you are, what you claim to have stacked, 4 people in decent skiill levels + at-st attacking one (non jedi) guy should be overkill! NOT A LOSING BATTLE.
It's like everyone else above has said, if that guy was a Master and he was PVP ready, you really had no chance.
It might have been different if one of you was a Master in a combat profession. Or, if you had a Master Pikeman or Fencer in the group, they could have been the tank while everyone else shot and healed.
It happens. Live and learn.
I'd be interested to know what profession was the rebel that attacked you guys?
Protilious
Wed Mar 17, 2004 1:46 am
#10
Well now I know. And just to make sure it's clear what this guy took down there was 5 of us plus an AT-ST.
I can't tell you what the rebel was. It was over so quickly. Sorry. All I know is he had effective range attacks on me that killed me in two shots and he had seemed to use TKA in close combat on my other friends.
We were all buffed with my Master Doc D buffs hitting for well over 2K on most stats.
We all had armour on that is pretty darn expensive.
Our skills:
-Master Doc/creater handler
-Master Doc/ Pistoleer/fencer
-Master Pikeman/Master Ranger/Master Marksman (? I think MM too?)
-TKA novice (about halfway up to master)
-Master Marksman/Novice BH
- AT-ST
In the end, if this what you guys say is 'to be expected' then so be it. I just wondered if that outcome was the 'norm' considering the details. I guess it is. Now I know.
The game isn't a first person shooter for me, I have no aspiration to develop into a 'PvPer', I guess.
I'll just ask my friend to keep his At-St away and I'm sure we'll still find challenging missions. Thanks for the feedback.
CaanonWeathers
Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:06 am
#11
I'd think that this guy, being a Master Doctor, would be wise enough to have some cure packs on him. If not then he deserves a poison filled death!
AK-
Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:27 pm
#12
doubt it. Before I dropped master swords/carbineer I had +196 counter, the at st shouldve been able to hit him after last patch
paccy
Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:40 am
#13
ill remember the unbuffed unarmored days for a long time ... even got to do it with a nice geno blaster fun fun fun
and besides m fencer/m pistoleer wasnt that hard .... if u played it wrong we where very hard but int and stun we die sooo easy and if we dont die our dmg output is next to non -_-
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