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I believe I may have the solution to all those wondering if dodge has been separated or not.

After reading a few posts, I have noticed that some of you are comparing your dodge percentages with pistol and fencing. I do not believe this is the best way to go about the testing though.

I got this idea when I thought of Raph's discovery of the x1.86 modifier for melee damage for fencer.

Maybe the dodge calculation is more complex than we thought? Maybe there is a base for fencer and pistoleer, and the dodge is a multiplier, thereby giving pistoleer and fencer's with the same dodge very different values.

I propose the following test, which i will do as soon as i get another pistol level.

1)Measure your dodge percentage (>100 hits) at your current dodge level. (>0 pistoleer dodge)

2) get a pistol dodge level

I believe I may have the solution to all those wondering if dodge has been separated or not.

After reading a few posts, I have noticed that some of you are comparing your dodge percentages with pistol and fencing. I do not believe this is the best way to go about the testing though.

I got this idea when I thought of Raph's discovery of the x1.86 modifier for melee damage for fencer.

Maybe the dodge calculation is more complex than we thought? Maybe there is a base for fencer and pistoleer, and the dodge is a multiplier, thereby giving pistoleer and fencer's with the same dodge very different values.

I propose the following test, which i will do as soon as i get another pistol level.

1) Measure your dodge percentage FOR FENCER (>100 hits) at your current dodge level. (>0 pistoleer dodge)

2) get a pistol dodge level

3) measure again

This way you will be able to see directly whether or not an increase in pistol dodge increases the fencer dodge percentage.

I had another part to this, but i forget.

PS: Sorry about posting this 3 times, for some reason my space bar started acting as the enter key.. very odd..

It's certainly worth a try. Who knows?

Raph, what's that sentence about a 1.86x melee modifier?

Fencers have a x1.86 damage multiplier on all of their attacks, even non-specials. That's why you seem to be able to do nearly twice your weapon's listed damage without using a special. I listed it in the FAQ about Fencer specials.

I wouldn't be surprised, but i haven't specifically checked. For all I know they all have 1.86; or that might be melee specific with ranged having a different number; or it might be Fencer specific with each profession having their own.

I could probably find out, but I'd want to finish my current project first.

Another factor that may need to be considered isa playerscurrent stats. Does aplayer who has a 600 quickness have a better chance of dodging an attack than someone who has 300?

Alsothe test senerio mentionedwould only work if there is a total seperation between the two classses. If for example there is a dodge cap instead,then testing aftergaining one box of a skill tree may not be enough to hit that cap.

Just something else to consider..

Merry X-mas all

i BELIVE pistols are a 1.5x if i remember corectly i know there is a multiplier and i think thats what it was.... been awhile since i looked at the specs for pistols.

Sorry, didn't notice it...
Would you, by chance, know if this is Fencer-specific or do other classes have similar modifiers? (similar not equal)

The cap, thats the other thing i wanted to mention, if someone did do this test, and it showed there WAS a connection, that may not be true the whole way through. It would be encouraging at least though.

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Raphayl wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised, but i haven't specifically checked. For all I know they all have 1.86; or that might be melee specific with ranged having a different number; or it might be Fencer specific with each profession having their own.

I could probably find out, but I'd want to finish my current project first.

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You could write down some basic rules (the procedure, how many hits etc.) the tests would need to follow in order to be found valid... I can carry them out myself.

It's certainly worth a try. Who knows?