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Thread: Scatter Hit and the rest of the multi ham hiting moves.

Vegita1585
Sun May 23, 2004 9:17 pm
#1

I was under the impression that they are working as intended. Did any dev ever say that they are malfunctioning? Alot of people are calling the move an exploit when the description of the move states that it takes advantage of gaps in opponent's armor. I guess my question is, has any official of sony stated the move is broken or are alot of people just whining.
ccpeters
Mon May 24, 2004 5:15 am
#2


Vegita1585 wrote:
I was under the impression that they are working as intended. Did any dev ever say that they are malfunctioning? Alot of people are calling the move an exploit when the description of the move states that it takes advantage of gaps in opponent's armor. I guess my question is, has any official of sony stated the move is broken or are alot of people just whining.




Good question. Not being a PVP player, I'd like an answer to this question myself. I'd hate for PVP'rs to get my profession badly nerfed for no reason like has happened to all the others.



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origitat
Mon May 24, 2004 6:49 am
#3






ccpeters wrote:




Vegita1585 wrote:

I was under the impression that they are working as intended. Did any dev ever say that they are malfunctioning? Alot of people are calling the move an exploit when the description of the move states that it takes advantage of gaps in opponent's armor. I guess my question is, has any official of sony stated the move is broken or are alot of people just whining.






Good question. Not being a PVP player, I'd like an answer to this question myself. I'd hate for PVP'rs to get my profession badly nerfed for no reason like has happened to all the others.





it says in the description that it takes advantage of armor gaps? I must have never read the description of the move. I always thought the Scatter hit moves were bugged but that description makes it seem like it is supposed to work like that. Maybe its working too good or something.



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raldurrm
Mon May 24, 2004 6:53 am
#4

maybe you should leave it alone since spamming that a fencer can still be owned by a guy spamming combo 1 .... too bad i don't spam



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Mon May 24, 2004 7:31 am
#5

I haven't read that description but it makes sense to me and if that's true it sounds like it's working correctly. It would make up for the lack of AP weapons. Many people think Fencers need more AP weapons. I agree, I agree with those that say Fencers shouldn't have real high damage weapons, but they should have the ability to break through armor or get around it. That is exactly what Fencer's do with finesse weapons. I don't have scatterhit 1 or 2, but it doesn't sound broken. I don't PVP though so the powergame/nerfcalls aren't a part of my day to day game play. If I can't beat a mob with my prof I'll either fight something else or learn a different prof...not ask Devs to hit the mob with a nerf bat...





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Dragunsoul
Mon May 24, 2004 8:54 am
#6

The point is there is no balance when only one profession can cut through your armor and do more damage than the others.


For that why dont everyone just become Fencer (not like thats not already happeneing)since everyone who pvps wears armor. That way it will be balanced lol.


PikemanAreRarerThanJedi
Mon May 24, 2004 9:25 am
#7






Dragunsoul wrote:

The point is there is no balance when only one profession can cut through your armor and do more damage than the others.


For that why dont everyone just become Fencer (not like thats not already happeneing)since everyone who pvps wears armor. That way it will be balanced lol.







I Dont agree there are way more rifleman/combatmed's then fencer's.. AnywayI belive scatterhit2 is working as intended. It's just ackaly bones made the stun baton alot better.( ie like krayte tisssue's for the ion). So hence you do more damage.



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DarthVillanus
Mon May 24, 2004 9:28 am
#8

Jedi will always b!tch and moan about fencers until they fix it so saber block stops melee attacks.



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Dragunsoul
Mon May 24, 2004 10:42 am
#9






PikemanAreRarerThanJedi wrote:





Dragunsoul wrote:

The point is there is no balance when only one profession can cut through your armor and do more damage than the others.


For that why dont everyone just become Fencer (not like thats not already happeneing)since everyone who pvps wears armor. That way it will be balanced lol.







I Dont agree there are way more rifleman/combatmed's then fencer's.. AnywayI belive scatterhit2 is working as intended. It's just ackaly bones made the stun baton alot better.( ie like krayte tisssue's for the ion). So hence you do more damage.





Not on my server there isnt. On my server Fencer is the FOTM. How do you know scatter is working as intended? Youre not a dev. Noone said anything about the acklay bones. Its the fact that scatter negates armor and mitigation sometimes. Its easy for you to claim that it is working as intended and that its fair when you are part of that profession and are just defending it.


Just like everyone defends their own professions.


Jarlok
Mon May 24, 2004 11:40 am
#10

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Many a months now fencers have been asking to literally swap the dmg of the gaffi stick to one of our swords, just so a fencers 'best' weapon would be a sword. Is there anyway we can implement this as it has been a top 10 issue for fencers for oh so long?



This is one of the details that should be easily tweak-able and happen in the Combat Balance. This certainly is a short answer and Fencers may be looking for more, but for the most part, devs and many players feel that Fencer is a really cool profession and as such, won’t see any dramatic changes.
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jfang
Mon May 24, 2004 1:26 pm
#11






I will point out that scatter hit 2 might not be as broken as the fencer forum thinks. Running tests on the equivalent in the carbine tree (scatter shot 2), it appears that the attack does not ignore armor resistance (it is not clear about the AP-AR relationship though), and it appears that it is not ignored by damage mitigation, according to TAFireHawk on the carbineer forum (which I can partially corroborate). The bypassing of foods is also being examined right now (as the log files might be mis-representing the facts, as they apparently do not accurately reflect the effect of armor).


There is still some debate about it what is going on, however it appears that if the move is broken, it is not game breakingly so. Have there been any official tests about how scatter hit 2 works, or is this all word of mouth "everybody knows that..." information? If so, do these tests match or disagree with the ones with scatter hit 2? (It might be possible that the two attacks behave differently.)


If you are curious, there are currently two threads dealing with scatter shot 2 on the carbineer forum's first page. It might be useful to cross reference the findings...
Ragnaat
Tue May 25, 2004 12:09 am
#12

Myself, I don't know the designer's true intention with these moves... but even if there is a description somewhere (i don't see it in the simple rolover in the skills window) that mentions it takes advantage of holes or gaps in armor I still find it very strange that it also finds a way to bypass the "unnatural toughness" that damage reducing foods provide.

Not trying to start a war here, just sayin'. Lots of odd things in this game. Tons of them. Of which "0 damage has been mitigated by defensive buffs" is just one of them.



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PikemanAreRarerThanJedi
Wed May 26, 2004 10:18 am
#13






Dragunsoul wrote:





PikemanAreRarerThanJedi wrote:





Dragunsoul wrote:

The point is there is no balance when only one profession can cut through your armor and do more damage than the others.


For that why dont everyone just become Fencer (not like thats not already happeneing)since everyone who pvps wears armor. That way it will be balanced lol.







I Dont agree there are way more rifleman/combatmed's then fencer's.. AnywayI belive scatterhit2 is working as intended. It's just ackaly bones made the stun baton alot better.( ie like krayte tisssue's for the ion). So hence you do more damage.





Not on my server there isnt. On my server Fencer is the FOTM. How do you know scatter is working as intended? Youre not a dev. Noone said anything about the acklay bones. Its the fact that scatter negates armor and mitigation sometimes. Its easy for you to claim that it is working as intended and that its fair when you are part of that profession and are just defending it.


Just like everyone defends their own professions.








I dont know what your talking about. I was dueling for about an hour in coronet and got owned by people wearing stun armor. My ackaly is 129-179. I have yet to see this bug everyone talk's about with scatter hit. Either that or bria has the best composite it's currently at 44% stun 90% base.



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