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Thread: Fencer To Be? Or not To be.

e3ApeXX
Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:20 pm
#1

Ok I want to start this off by saying that I am new to these forums, but not the game. I am a 2/4/2/2 Fencer, so a master fencer may have more or better opinions/facts than I do. I am just collecting this from my personal experience.



For your knowledge and entertainment, I have collected a lot of data on fencer. First off, I have been it for 3 months. Secondly, I have been playing on the TC- Ahazi server, testing out master fencer vs. tons of other defense stacked opponents. My results were conclusive and obvious. I broke down each test I made into section, for your easier viewing.


-Dueling-


From what I found, fencer is excellent at dueling. We are fast, and evasive, all the enemy ever see's is +Dodge+. Although we do not pack a powerful punch, we still hit where it hurts and have excellent defense. Weaknesses? None in dueling, Teras Kasi can't hit us, swordsman can't hurt us, and ranged professions just get "owned."



-PvP-


Ok, well everyone has a weakness, and ours falls slightly in here. In large-scale battles, we fall slightly because of our weak area attacks. (Compared to swordsman and Pikeman) That does not mean we have no purpose. The people that cry about fencer not being good enough in PvP, is mostly because they do not know how to use it correctly. They try to area attack, or go after EVERYONE! If you want to actaully affect the battle, you have to narrow your focus on one person, incap/db him, then move on to the next. Also, the people that say stun batons are useless, I think are "interesting" people. Lets say an individual as 85% kenetic resists, and 35% stun resists. (Forget the others they are not important in this test) A Teras Kasi Master hits this person for1500 points of damage! But, because of the 85% resists, only225 damage actually penetrates the armor. (You also have to add the toughness to further reduce it) A fencer also attacks this individual, and does 1000 points of damage! After the armor blocks it, only 650 points go in. Wait, but the fencer did 425 more damage? So how can a stun baton be useless?



-PvE-


( PvE is fighting NPC's for those that don't know)


This is our other weakness, we are not the strongest at PvE, although we hold our own weight. Because we dont have any REALLY HIGH damage attacks, we don't "waste" NightSisters or Rancors. Our one big advantage over swordsman and pikeman in PvE is that we have stun baton, which does stun damage, that few creatures have high resists of. (While most creatures such as squills have 65% resists or something like that)



Overall, we can tank, but we don't do that much damage. In the end, we can hold our own weight, so it is not something to drop because this profession is "uber" like Pikeman. (Although they have VERY bad defense.)



(Lastly in the PvP section about armor, I did not factor in AP because I do not know the exact calculations. The stun baton damage would do slightly lower because of that.)



I am ready to get flammed and one starred because of my opinions and facts in this post, so HIT ME!













The Romans
TEDDY' BAER
BLOODFIN

Master Bounty Hunter

Specialist in the Art of Dieing

IKIDRO
Sun Sep 19, 2004 3:47 pm
#2






e3ApeXX wrote:

Ok I want to start this off by saying that I am new to these forums, but not the game. I am a 2/4/2/2 Fencer, so a master fencer may have more or better opinions/facts than I do. I am just collecting this from my personal experience.



For your knowledge and entertainment, I have collected a lot of data on fencer. First off, I have been it for 3 months. Secondly, I have been playing on the TC- Ahazi server, testing out master fencer vs. tons of other defense stacked opponents. My results were conclusive and obvious. I broke down each test I made into section, for your easier viewing.


-Dueling-


From what I found, fencer is excellent at dueling. We are fast, and evasive, all the enemy ever see's is +Dodge+. Although we do not pack a powerful punch, we still hit where it hurts and have excellent defense. Weaknesses? None in dueling, Teras Kasi can't hit us, swordsman can't hurt us, and ranged professions just get "owned."

Reminds me of a recent duel with my guildmate where we were having tactics lessons on how to combat various profs and how to work well as a unit. Now we both started off with stun comp/psg's and acklay stunners, this degenerated into the use of DOT's but the duel still took 30mins. I only won after I pulled out some nasty fire weps and black barred him.


-PvP-


Ok, well everyone has a weakness, and ours falls slightly in here. In large-scale battles, we fall slightly because of our weak area attacks. (Compared to swordsman and Pikeman) That does not mean we have no purpose. The people that cry about fencer not being good enough in PvP, is mostly because they do not know how to use it correctly. They try to area attack, or go after EVERYONE! If you want to actaully affect the battle, you have to narrow your focus on one person, incap/db him, then move on to the next. Also, the people that say stun batons are useless, I think are "interesting" people. Lets say an individual as 85% kenetic resists, and 35% stun resists. (Forget the others they are not important in this test) A Teras Kasi Master hits this person for1500 points of damage! But, because of the 85% resists, only225 damage actually penetrates the armor. (You also have to add the toughness to further reduce it) A fencer also attacks this individual, and does 1000 points of damage! After the armor blocks it, only 650 points go in. Wait, but the fencer did 425 more damage? So how can a stun baton be useless?

Its not as usless as some make out but to hit really hard a good acklay bat is needed and the fact trying to incap people on health is hard. If you want to hit the mind you are left with /scatter2 mainly but I do use mind poison and fire PvP so I do fine. Even if I get called a DOT/Stun whore.


-PvE-


( PvE is fighting NPC's for those that don't know)


This is our other weakness, we are not the strongest at PvE, although we hold our own weight. Because we dont have any REALLY HIGH damage attacks, we don't "waste" NightSisters or Rancors. Our one big advantage over swordsman and pikeman in PvE is that we have stun baton, which does stun damage, that few creatures have high resists of. (While most creatures such as squills have 65% resists or something like that)


I dont agree about not being able to waste Rancors and squills and most NS drop easily. Rancors are an easy takedown maybe when you get master you will see this

Overall, we can tank, but we don't do that much damage. In the end, we can hold our own weight, so it is not something to drop because this profession is "uber" like Pikeman. (Although they have VERY bad defense.)



(Lastly in the PvP section about armor, I did not factor in AP because I do not know the exact calculations. The stun baton damage would do slightly lower because of that.)



I am ready to get flammed and one starred because of my opinions and facts in this post, so HIT ME!

Hit you lol I only hit people that enjoy it




















IKIDRO
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Crumbs
Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:44 pm
#3

Don't base your experince with this profession in pvp on TC-Ahazi as most people there don't have Imperial PSG's, Stun armour, and Synthsteak.



Odiet Avaev Master Burstrunner.
Owiro Sohryu Master Burstrunner D-Stacker.
lunatin
Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:24 pm
#4

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e3ApeXX
Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:30 pm
#5

I think that TC-Ahazi gave me a very good idea about this profession, from the standpoint of pure tactics because everyone is def stacked. I thank you all for your opinion though and hope that this post was somewhat helpful.



The Romans
TEDDY' BAER
BLOODFIN

Master Bounty Hunter

Specialist in the Art of Dieing

Mater_Gunfighter
Sun Sep 19, 2004 5:36 pm
#6

Yea on TC2, if you have any stun weapon vs. a non stun weapon, you will win probably 90% of the time due to the fact the armor is weak to stun and 900/900/900 on the hams


Also in your calulation, a stun baton lacks armor piercing , which would take 50% off the damg output. Then if get intimidated your damg output is shot to hell


But then again if you prepared correctly and know what you are doing, you can still win.



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xspi
Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:51 pm
#7




-PvP-


Ok, well everyone has a weakness, and ours falls slightly in here. In large-scale battles, we fall slightly because of our weak area attacks. (Compared to swordsman and Pikeman) That does not mean we have no purpose. The people that cry about fencer not being good enough in PvP, is mostly because they do not know how to use it correctly. They try to area attack, or go after EVERYONE! If you want to actaully affect the battle, you have to narrow your focus on one person, incap/db him, then move on to the next. Also, the people that say stun batons are useless, I think are "interesting" people. Lets say an individual as 85% kenetic resists, and 35% stun resists. (Forget the others they are not important in this test) A Teras Kasi Master hits this person for1500 points of damage! But, because of the 85% resists, only225 damage actually penetrates the armor. (You also have to add the toughness to further reduce it) A fencer also attacks this individual, and does 1000 points of damage! After the armor blocks it, only 650 points go in. Wait, but the fencer did 425 more damage? So how can a stun baton be useless?


even with those resists Stun Batons have 0 AP which is like what 50% damage decrease to the Light Comp Armor Rating.. that kinda kills the damage.. and if they have novice medic u arent going to get their heath down much and if you are intimidated.. well ouch


ohh nvm.. didnt read the end of ur post

Message Edited by xspi on 09-19-2004 06:55 PM



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e3ApeXX
Mon Sep 20, 2004 11:50 am
#8

Also in your calulation, a stun baton lacks armor piercing , which would take 50% off the damg output. Then if get intimidated your damg output is shot to hell



Maybe you failed to read the end of my post? For you people that don't fully read posts, I clearly stated that I DID NOT counter in the AP because I did not know the exact calculation. Thank you the person above this post (lol) for noticing that.




The Romans
TEDDY' BAER
BLOODFIN

Master Bounty Hunter

Specialist in the Art of Dieing

Crumbs
Sat Feb 05, 2005 5:44 pm
#9

Don't base your experince with this profession in pvp on TC-Ahazi as most people there don't have Imperial PSG's, Stun armour, and Synthsteak.



Odiet Avaev Master Burstrunner.
Owiro Sohryu Master Burstrunner D-Stacker.
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