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Thread: Fighting against Ranged Weapons isnt hopeless its all about tactics

darkangelus226
Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:26 am
#1

Hi, i am Reamus Lupin on Corbantis, studying to become a Master Fencer and Master Doctor. I have been reading all these post since day one and there has been a lot of talk of how we suck at fight range attackers. I dont know why everyone talks like it is so hopeless because its not at all. I was recently challenged to a duel by an expert pistol/rifle/carbine/range support (basically lvl 3 marksman). Sure i thought i wont stand a chance, but i said what the hey, i have pride in what i do and wont back down cause i think i might lose. So the battle starts, first thing i did when the duel started was lock on and used the /follow command. This takes away the effect that he can gain distance for a better shot, staying in his face help me get my hits in and took his aiming down.(i am expolration 3) So itook some major hits in the begining, lost about 550 of 900 health and 400 of 900 action. Already thinking not good cause i had only done about 200 to 250 in his stat pools. Now i kept dodging his shots after this point which was a blessing and then i went for the combo, melee one handed lunge followed by one handed (??body1??)(the one that causes dizzy). For those who dont know if it works he his put on his knees then when he trys to stand up he falls to the guard and its all over. But i missed, but still made him dizzy, so i am getting close to death, he has about half his stats and my health is nearing 100 and action about 250...so i use stim pack b twice (back in the duel) i go forthe combo agin and bam it works he is on the floor i go all out beserk on him, he tries to get up again and he slids across the ground still unable to get up. Before i was gonna give the incap blow, he sends me a tell saying to stop, but i couldnt stop cause my action was about to take place (plus i wanted to enjoy the sweetness of this victory). So, in the end i won. YAY!!!(sorry). Well afterwards i found out he is pretty good dueler, he told me he has only lost once before and has won 20 other duels, so i figureed to say i brought some glory home to us fencers/brawlers. So here is what i am getting atis that it is allbattle tactics. Also if you look on the fencer tree we have a lot of attiubutes that come our way. Like dodge, and defense vs knockdown(meaning that cheap bounty hunter tactic wont work so easy on us). Well i will end this ramble with some other info you might ask, my sword is basic, with and attack speed 4.0 damage 20-84 *it sucks i know* and we fought in theed. He had something better than standarded cdef pistols as well. So remember any idiot can shoot a gun, the fencer, however is confident in there abilitys and intelligent enough to overcome what can be seen as a weakness. If you already think you cant stand up to a marksman then you already lost, be confident that you will win, or go down trying. So let me know what you think, also i know i am horrible at grammer and spelling


FluxHavoc
Sat Jul 19, 2003 5:03 am
#2

Good job!! Lunge and dizzy, unfortunately, are pretty much all we have got going for us. I don't want to come off sounding like a one-trick pony, but it's true. It's our only knockdown skill, whereas BH or Pistoleer can knock us down at a distance.



I fought four fights today and won 2 of them only. These were in the coronet starport.


First I fought a swordsman with a Ryyk blade. I dispatched him quicker than he could make a swing.


Next I fought my friend bountyhunter, and dispatched him as well with a 1200 damage hit when he was on the floor. He started close, and that was his misfortune.


Next I fought a pistoleer/BH hybrid. This didn't go so well. He started the duel far from me anticipating my actions. I had no choice but to proceed with it. He first shot me with a bleeding hit, which made me constantly lose life through the entire thing. I chased but I couldn't get my combo off in time before I ran out of HAM because of all the bleeding. I had a chance, but it was hopeless because the bleeding wrecked it. I got incapped, and moved on.


Next I fought another pistoleer. He talked smack about swordsman calling us p ussies chasing others with swords. Then he proceeded to verbally abuse another swordsman. I had enough, so I stood up and challenged him to a duel. He started harassing me, and moments later, accepted the duel from far away and bleed-shotted me. Eventually I got around to knocking him down on the floor, however at the same time the bleeding caused me to go in-cap. Alas, the a-hole slayed me and sent me to the cloning center.



What went wrong:


Bleeding, obviously.


Potential BH knockdowns and pistolwhips.


Starting a fight from far away.



What I learned:


First of all, learn your opponents. If they are bleeders, buy some anti-bleeding clothes (Hack'o'trades on Ahazi sells them), and learn First Aid.


Second of all, bring apersonal shield generator and use it.


Third of all, if you don't rely TOO much on specials, then feel free to coat yourself with lots of armor. When all you need is 2 specials, lunge, then dizzy, and havea safe bet it's going to work, then simply sit and let your character do the beating, not the specials. Otherwise, just don't bother with armor (or dress lightly). Remember, when fighting ranged, bring your anti energy armor, not the kinetic ones.




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EveLibertine
Sat Jul 19, 2003 1:27 pm
#3

the faster thwe sword the better , i have a ryk 90-170 1.9 speed i destroy ranged so far, once i dizzy which is so fast its almost instant all i have do is lunge and they are gone



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nikolai
Sat Jul 19, 2003 2:20 pm
#4

Anti-bleeding clothes? What are they called? I will definately have to invest in those, that could help tremendously with the people who use Bleeding Shot and run away.







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FluxHavoc
Sat Jul 19, 2003 3:16 pm
#5

**edit**... that's a really nice sword Eve



Yes. Some clever crafter on my server started making clothes with anti bleeding properties to them. Don't ask me how, because I'm not a tailor. Ask around your local tailors for details....




Asenka Tenken, Ahazi.
Fencer.
Squidbush
Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:28 am
#6

It's a bio engineer made item for armor called constrictor cloth. Each piece adds +1 to bleeding defence (+2 if properly experimented)and adds up when you're wearing multiple pieces of armor made with it. I don't know if it can be added to clothing though. I've never been able to add it to any of the symthetic cloth I've made.



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FluxHavoc
Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:48 am
#7

I've seen clothing with it. In fact this guy sells anti bleeding in bandoliers, pants, shirts, you name it.




Asenka Tenken, Ahazi.
Fencer.
Kentou
Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:19 pm
#8

Hey Asenka,


You'll have to show me the waypoint where to find that stuff. Ive been getting involved with more PvPs lately and I can't say I've been doing too well against the shooters (esp if they have pets harrassing at the same time).


Kentou

Malqanar
Sun Jul 20, 2003 5:35 pm
#9

Atier 3 marksman doesn't have the most effective weapon against brawlers yet - carbineers action shot - for a fight starting at range against an opponent who can lower your posture from 64m I can't see any tactics apart from a) run away or b) bring friends. Even if the fight starts up close all he has to do is run and kite, for some reason even on autofollow, with the target indicator saying 4m range lunge seems to be out of range most of the time if you're both moving


At least against riflemen it isn't so bad, they're often so busy going prone and trying to take cover that you can close the distance easy





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darkangelus226
Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:53 am
#10

Two words, Shield generator...these babies are awsome:smiley happy , the look on the marksmanface when they cant do effective damage is priceless. Now if your havingtrouble staying near, make sure you have Exploration in Scout maxed out and if all else fails, in a oneon one, use burst run if you cant get closeenough. Also i am becoming a doctor and one the best ablitys is in the hands of a doctor. Enhancers. I buff up my Health and Action bars, combined with the best shield generator in the galaxy, makes you one bad ass fencer to take down. Another tactic, buy a probot for battles against creature handlers. Have the bot tank for you and head after the creature handler. Like i said before use tactics, just because all of the skills dont make it possible for balance, there is enough items and other professions skills that can help us make or own balance.

DarthGanjookie
Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:25 pm
#11

Eve where did you get your sword from?!?!?



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TarostarT
Wed Jul 23, 2003 6:45 am
#12

darkangelus, you mentioned that your character's name is Reamus Lupin. By any chance did you play a character by that name in Asheron's Call 1 on thistledown. I know it's a longshot.
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