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Thread: Question reguarding defenses
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IIIVVVIII
Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:15 am
#1
Hey all,
I am a master fencer and I recently dropped BH due to the bugged out jedi system, topic for another forum, so I have a few skill points to play with and was curious about how defenses work. For example, I am already MF/pistoleer 1/0/4/3. I did some number crunching and found that I can add +85 block to my template by getting 0/0/4/0 Pikeman.
Now my question is, if I were to do this, would block even take effect since my main weapons are 1 handed? I am under the impression that block would only work if I have a polearm in my hand. Also does the added dodge I get from pistoleer get negated when using 1H weps?
thanks for the help in advance.
Jeisyn
Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:44 am
#2
Dodge works exclusively with Pistoleer and Fencer (cap of +125)
CounterAttack works exclusively with Carbines and 2hand Sword (Cap of +125)
Block works exclusively with Pikeman and Rifleman (Cap of +125)
Block will only help you if you are currently holding either a Rifle or a Pike.
just a note: melee defense, ranged defense, and all state defenses are effective at any time while holding any weapon.
Outkster
Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:55 am
#3
Dodge works exclusively with Pistoleer and Fencer (cap of +125)
CounterAttack works exclusively with Carbines and 2hand Sword (Cap of +125)
Block works exclusively with Pikeman and Rifleman (Cap of +125)
Block will only help you if you are currently holding either a Rifle or a Pike.
just a note: melee defense, ranged defense, and all state defenses are effective at any time while holding any weapon.
/agree
The above statement is correct!
But if you want to mix & match the state defense's that pike & sword have will stack. So, you will be hard as h3ll to dizzy,stun,posture change, kd....etc You will be a state defense tank!
ZakKuzak
Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:05 pm
#4
What about the damage mitigations? Like if I'm master pistoleer I'd have ranged mitigation 1,2,3. So if I do Smuggler also I get a ranged mitigation . Does that somehow stack onto the mitigation I get from pistoleer? Also if I do fencer I get a melee damage mitigation. Do I get that if I'm using a pistol??
Jeisyn
Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:41 pm
#5
The short of it:
ranged and melee mitigation cap at 3. doesn't matter what type of weapon you are holding, your ranged/melee mitigation is always "on".
IIIVVVIII
Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:08 pm
#6
Thanks to everyone who responded here. I have one last question, You say that dodge works when holding a pistol or a 1 H wep, but do you get the full amount if you have dodge from pistoleer and fencer?
Say I have +90 from fencer and + 40 from pistoleer ( I am pulling numbers out of my bum) When I am holding a 1 H Wep do I get the full +130? or just the +90? and vise versa, only +40 from pistoleer when holding pistol?
Jeisyn
Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:22 am
#7
Dodge, Block, counterattack, defense vs states, ranged defense, and melee defense all stack. meaning the "+90" dodge from pistoleer and the "+115" dodge from fencer stack (when you are holding a pistol or 1hand)- BUT, there is a cap on how much dodge you can have. so even if you have +200 dodge in your skillsheet, you are actually limited to +125. so having more than +125 is useless.
hope that clears things up a bit?
IIIVVVIII
Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:08 am
#8
indeed, thank you. I was aware of the cap thats whyu i only kept 1/0/4/4 pistoleer, just wanted tomake sure it was actually doing something.
Calebo
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:26 am
#9
I am not sure but the 125 cap is only a cap from your own skills, you can get another 25 from skill modifing gear. Correct me if I am wrong
EdahFreecloud
Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:03 am
#10
you mean if i am capped at 125 melee def, the my backpack +3, shirt +4, pants+4 etc. do count in addition to my 125 melee defenses?
Calebo
Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:08 am
#11
Yes I was told the cap is 150.
125 from the toon and 25 from skill tapes, bio clotes and stuff like that.
still you might wanna get this confirmed.
Minerunner
Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:06 pm
#12
Technically SEA's/Bio Clothing goes above cap up to +25, and theoretically Melee Defense Food would also another up to +25.
But I think there is a bug somewhere with overcapping and adding CoB. I would need to run metrics tests to be sure but it'll be a moot point anyway soon.
But I think there is a bug somewhere with overcapping and adding CoB. I would need to run metrics tests to be sure but it'll be a moot point anyway soon.
EdahFreecloud
Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:37 pm
#13
Minerunner wrote:
Technically SEA's/Bio Clothing goes above cap up to +25, and theoretically Melee Defense Food would also another up to +25.
But I think there is a bug somewhere with overcapping and adding CoB. I would need to run metrics tests to be sure but it'll be a moot point anyway soon.
Are you refering to the combat rebalance or the reoccuring macro nerf I have heard about?
Message Edited by EdahFreecloud on 10-24-2004 06:38 PM
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