Fencer Archive

Please bear with me as a new player to SW:G.

I've been reading through the backlog of Raphayl's post trying to gain a general understanding of the fencer class and I'm impressed by what I've read so far. So I have a question:

1. Am I right in assuming weapon delay works much the same way as in Everquest? That a 2.2 weapon would attack automatically every 2.2 seconds?

2. As I understand it, as you gain proficiency in a given discipline, you gain speed bonuses, +10 etc. Is there a Dev post stating how the haste effect works? Is +10:

a)A10% increase in attack speed? or,

b) a 10% decrease in weapon delay?

Or to put it a another way, assume a 4.0 weapon and a +50 speed bonus, does this equate to:

a) an attack every 2.67 seconds [4 / (1+.50)] or,

b) an attack every 2.00 seconds [4 / (1-.50)].

I would guess it was method a) which would be consistent with EQ and mathematically more logical (or +100 speed would reduce your weapon delay to 0 and therefore overly favour high delay weapons)? Although it seems that some people when talking about 'best' weapons, they seem to understand speed as method b), a % reduction.

Hope someone can shed some light, thanks.

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Method b) should read:

b) an attack every 2.00 seconds [4* (1-.50)]

The speed modifier reduces delay, up to a 1.0 sec cap. So your theoretical 4.0 speed weapon would "cap out" at +75 speed

Ouch!

That would seem to severely skew things at the Master end of the game to weapons with high dam/high delay due to the 1.0 speed cap?

Unless the HAM costs on specials are there to balance it out?

Seemsrather silly to me the Devs made it % reduction but thanks for your info, will help me choose more wisely between weapons.

Cheers!

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NotHanSolo wrote:

That would seem to severely skew things at the Master end of the game to weapons with high dam/high delay due to the 1.0 speed cap?

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Indeed. Most high level fencers swear by the Gaffi stick, but most novice fencers would get destroyed trying to use it. If I recall my weapons info correctly, when I hit footwork 2, the gaffi approximately equals my curved sword in damage output (Since my curved hit the speed cap at footwork 1). When I hit footwork 4 it will substantially outpace it.

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Syd1 wrote:

The speed modifier reduces delay, up to a 1.0 sec cap. So your theoretical 4.0 speed weapon would "cap out" at +75 speed

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WookieWangler wrote:



Err afaik the speed modifiers reduce your weapon speed by .1 for every +10 speed... so at +75 you will receive a -0.7 modifier to your weapon speed.

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+60 speed on 3.0 second weapon using method:

a) Gives 1.88 delay [3.0 / (1+0.60)]

b) Gives 1.50 delay [3.0 * (1-0.60)]

c) Gives 2.30 delay [3.0 - 0.6] (The method listed above)

It could be close enough for you not to notice, unless you have been running some parses. I will do the testing myself as there seems to be differing views.

If the Devs have gone fora % reduction in speed then I think its quite silly. If you remove speed as a variable in combat (because everyone is at 1.0 due to the cap) then all you can play about with is damage/HAM cost. It would make more sense in a game to offer more choice to the player than by making a stat redundant.

Not to say thats not the way it is, I'll check for myself once I have time to play.

spd mods are a % per point... however special moves add spd to attacks also...

master fencer +90 spd can spd cap a10.0 spd wep without specials

master fencer +90 spd can spd cap a4.0 spd wep with any special attack

works like this from wat i can tell = say you have a 60 spd mod... 100-60 = 40% thats ow muc spd is left o take spd of wep times 40% and youll get current delay..... i believe no move in fencer costs mroe ten a .5 spd multiplier...

you take said 4.0 spd wep x 2.5 = 10.0 spd

10.0 spd wit mater fencer spd mods of +90 (100-90= 10 spd or10%) 10.0 spd x .1 = 1..0

now tese numbers can be a little off but its wat i ave seen while hunting.... at foot4 i had a 3.6 spd wep and was attacking at just over the 1 spd cap... about every 5th attack would skip a second. so roughly 1.2 spd tis was also wile using bodyhit3

like i said could be wrong but based off what i have seen there u go