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Thread: Consider & lobby for shuriken (throwing stars) for Fencers

DoctorRoswell
Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:53 pm
#1

Here's an idea that might help Fencers against ranged opponents…Why not consider allowing Fencers to have a few throwable weapons? These could include throwing knives and darts, but even better, it would be great fun to have shuriken (ninja metal throwing stars) that could be used against enemies at a distance. For example, they could be hurled backward to ward off pursuing enemies, or thrown at an attacking enemy in order to cause them a short stun and minor damage/wound. Throwing stars have long been an established part of the ninja arsenal as a suplement to sword warfare, so why not give us a boost against opponents at a mid-range distance. Maybe, the farther away they are, the less likely a chance for a hit would be, but whether hit or not, the shuriken could still cause a momentary (split second) pause in the opponent's ability to pursue or attack.

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Casesan
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DoctorRoswell
Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:02 pm
#2

Here's an idea that might help Fencers against ranged opponents…Why not consider allowing Fencers to have a few throw-able weapons? These could include throwing knives and darts, but even better, it would be great fun to have shuriken (ninja metal throwing stars) that could be used against enemies at a distance. For example, they could be hurled backward to ward off pursuing enemies, or thrown at an attacking enemy in order to cause them a short stun and minor damage/wound. Throwing stars have long been an established part of the ninja arsenal as a supplement to sword warfare, so why not give us a boost against opponents at a mid-range distance. Maybe, the farther away they are, the less likely a chance for a hit would be, but whether hit or not, the shuriken could still cause a momentary (split second) pause in the opponent's ability to pursue or attack.

Thanks,
Casesan
Fencer on Gorath




Dante Mizrahi
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Drag00n169
Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:07 pm
#3

We are Fencers...not ninjas, if you want something to counter the kiters and whatnot, pick up a ranged proff, that simple.



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IceNine777
Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:48 pm
#4

Lol if those were to come into the game they would go to a tkm not a fencer and giving a melee prof a ranged weopon is retarded.



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DoctorRoswell
Wed Apr 07, 2004 4:49 am
#5

So, in real life, you don't drive a car because you can already ride a bike?

I don't understand why you would want to limit yourself or the Fencer prof. If you don't want to use a weapon, then just don't use it, but why limit the possiblities?

As a Fencer, why would you prefer to pick up a pistol instead of a shuriken? At least the shuriken/throwing star/dart/throwing knife is in the spirit of fencing.

Also, many other warriors (we would call Fencers) have used shuriken and other thrown weapons throughout history. It doesn't mean you're a ninja - or even a hand-oriented martial artist. It just means you're smart enough to throw something at an enemy at the right time for the right purpose such as to divert his attention, escape, etc.

Dude, have some imagination.




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DoctorRoswell
Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:51 am
#6

Is a samuri not a fencer?
Is a knife-throwing pirate not a fencer?
Is a ninja not also a fencer?
Hopefully, you get the idea…

There are many many kinds of fencers.

Why would throwing knives or stars have to be only for TKA? Through history, warriors of many types who would be considered Fencers in SWG have also supplemented their swords with other weapons which serve other purposes their swords aren't meant for.

No way do I want to be a Ninja or Samuri in SWG, but I do have the common sence that if my sword can't reach something I need to hit, I'll pick up something and throw it if possible.

Just like if my scoped rifle can't shoot a person one foot from me, I'll put it down and pull out my knife.

Saying Fencers shouldn't have throwing weapons is like saying that a painter should only paint with red, yellow and blue because they are the primary colours, or that a sculptor is not an artist because he doesn't use paint.

Sure I like keeping each profession relatively "pure", but it seems that I continually hear complaining that Fencer is too weak against most ranged professions. Throwing knives or stars could be something that could help while still being realistic.

Again, in your way of thinking a Master Pistoleer would never be able to throw a punch because he can only use his pistol.

Isn't part of the idea of the game that it be realistic?

Sure hope so.




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comandobob
Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:57 am
#7





Doctorroswell Wrote

Is a samuri not a fencer?
Is a knife-throwing pirate not a fencer?
Is a ninja not also a fencer?
Hopefully, you get the idea






Hmmm a Samuri is a martial artist as is a ninja they are not fencer's , if any one would get these it would be TKM , as a fencer i think we need a proper sword with a desent amout of damage like a rapier are a saber these are fencer weapons i can see the dev's giveing us throwing stars




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coln
Wed Apr 07, 2004 10:19 pm
#8






DoctorRoswell wrote:
Is a samuri not a fencer?
Is a knife-throwing pirate not a fencer?
Is a ninja not also a fencer?
Hopefully, you get the idea…

There are many many kinds of fencers.

Why would throwing knives or stars have to be only for TKA? Through history, warriors of many types who would be considered Fencers in SWG have also supplemented their swords with other weapons which serve other purposes their swords aren't meant for.

No way do I want to be a Ninja or Samuri in SWG, but I do have the common sence that if my sword can't reach something I need to hit, I'll pick up something and throw it if possible.

Just like if my scoped rifle can't shoot a person one foot from me, I'll put it down and pull out my knife.

Saying Fencers shouldn't have throwing weapons is like saying that a painter should only paint with red, yellow and blue because they are the primary colours, or that a sculptor is not an artist because he doesn't use paint.

Sure I like keeping each profession relatively "pure", but it seems that I continually hear complaining that Fencer is too weak against most ranged professions. Throwing knives or stars could be something that could help while still being realistic.

Again, in your way of thinking a Master Pistoleer would never be able to throw a punch because he can only use his pistol.

Isn't part of the idea of the game that it be realistic?

Sure hope so.





Acutally a Samurai is a heavy swordsman, a ninja is an assian and uses everything under the sun, their teachings are far more spiratual then samurai. Pirate I buy being fencers.


However in terms of balance giving any melee profession a ranged attack even if its kind of weak totaly throws off game balance. Add to that that no ranged professions get a defense bosting state like COB, and you can see where this is going. Fencer is plenty powerful as it is, and like all single profession it has its weakness and strengths. You dont want to pick up a ranged profession to compliment fencer? ok thats cool, I'm not gonna yell at you for doing that, but you have to realise someone who spends twice as many skill points as oyu on two professions, one ranged, one melee, should be given the upper hand in versitility.



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