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Thread: Ending the pointless talks about dodge stacks.

EGO
Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:49 pm
#1

HEy noobs (no offence)


Lets end this pointless debate on the dodge, knockdown defense, dizzy defense.


To make a long story short, im FENCER im also PISTOLLER both master even have the TKA 0 0 0 4 (combat acuity).


NOW LISTEN AND LISTEN GOOD FOR THIS IS THE LAW !


************************FACTS*************************


Dodge skill is used with pistols and with 1 handed weapons.
-(noyou cant use the dodge skillwith other weapons)


YES Dodge from both classes stack.
- (when a master fencer/ 0 0 0 0 pistolleer equips his pistol you will now, and when a master fencer/ master pistolleer equips his pistol you will laugh at his tumbles)


Dizzy defense stacks.
-(Ask a fencer about dizzy and your asking the right one)


Knockdown defense stacks.
-(ask any Teras-Kasi or Smugglerwho tried to knockdown a master fencer/pistolleer.)


******************The End*********************


Nerf the Teras-Kasi Accuracy, they have 205 in unarmed accuracy at Master level.
-And why?

-(ASK A TERAS-KASI MASTER IF HE EVER MISSES)

-And while your looking at the Teras-Kasi template, explain why they have ZERO ham cost on specials and do MORE damage than fencers ?

-A Fencer is equal to a Two-Handed or a pikeman, But a fight with a Teras-Kasi theyall lose no matter, Its Primary the Accuracy and Secondary our ham cost.

*****************Truly The End****************

Ibova
Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:01 pm
#2

Im a Teras Kasi Master and YES I do miss and YES we have HAM cost. The HAM cost on Unarmed Hit 3 is crazy. 3 UH3's will have your HAM almost all the way down.



And the reason we do more dmg than fencers is because of your dodge. You have a TON of dodge compared to us. We have +30 dodge. 2 lines in fencer equals that.

Raphayl
Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:39 pm
#3

That's what i look forward to in my own forum...


...being called a noob by a guy on his2nd post.


Just brings a rosy color to my cheeks.... my butt cheeks.

KaliMirchi
Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:31 pm
#4

Well Raph!



I guess he straightened YOU right out!



Do ya feel edumackated now?




Seena




SYRI, Mistress of Melee. Serious Melee Weapons for Intelligent Meleers. It ISN'T always about Damage!
I've been a successful melee combatant since launch. I know melee.
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AltairPolluxRigel
Thu Dec 04, 2003 7:40 pm
#5

he sounds more like id to me.



-Altair
Grungegtr21
Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:42 pm
#6






EGO wrote:

HEy noobs (no offence)


Lets end this pointless debate on the dodge, knockdown defense, dizzy defense.


To make a long story short, im FENCER im also PISTOLLER both master even have the TKA 0 0 0 4 (combat acuity).


NOW LISTEN AND LISTEN GOOD FOR THIS IS THE LAW !


************************FACTS*************************


Dodge skill is used with pistols and with 1 handed weapons.
-(noyou cant use the dodge skillwith other weapons)


YES Dodge from both classes stack.
- (when a master fencer/ 0 0 0 0 pistolleer equips his pistol you will now, and when a master fencer/ master pistolleer equips his pistol you will laugh at his tumbles)


Dizzy defense stacks.
-(Ask a fencer about dizzy and your asking the right one)


Knockdown defense stacks.
-(ask any Teras-Kasi or Smugglerwho tried to knockdown a master fencer/pistolleer.)


******************The End*********************


Nerf the Teras-Kasi Accuracy, they have 205 in unarmed accuracy at Master level.
-And why?

-(ASK A TERAS-KASI MASTER IF HE EVER MISSES)

-And while your looking at the Teras-Kasi template, explain why they have ZERO ham cost on specials and do MORE damage than fencers ?

-A Fencer is equal to a Two-Handed or a pikeman, But a fight with a Teras-Kasi theyall lose no matter, Its Primary the Accuracy and Secondary our ham cost.

*****************Truly The End****************







heh, my friend, you obviously have no clue what you are talking about, before this patch this was true, but now with new defenses/cob etc. this has changed.........



I am tka master and have wookie stats with a knuckler equiped unarmed hit3 costs TWO-HUNDRED HAM


when you hit 1nce per second then.......... do the math



W/O knuckler it is 66 Ham. (which is why i dont use my knux)


and you guys have a CoB that worx, my master fencer friend can prance around with cob and not get hit at all, same with 2h sword counter attack (cant verify PM block cuz havent seen any masters, they all dropped it, like me)


our defensive aquity does not work.


I have gotten a wee bit in fencer, mastered tka, mastered pikeman, and gotten a little in 2h sword, maybe before telling "THE LAW" you should make sure you know your stuff.




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Grungegtr21
Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:44 pm
#7

just to add to that, I am very glad fencer got the whole dodge thing together and is now an effective class



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Das-Veyordo
Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:53 pm
#8

ego, how many Blademasters have you fought post-patch?



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Das-Veyordo
Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:55 pm
#9

btw, dodge does stackregardless of weapon, if you look at your char. skills it is not listed as: One-Handed Swords Dodge - 110 or Pistol Dodge - 110, it's just dodge, same for melee defense and how it stacks with TKM, and MHswords, Dodge is a universal modifier, not weapon selected.



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I grind for fun, i grind for jedi, i grind for pvp... i pvp... i grind for jedi, i get screwed out of jedi by SOE!

Been fun.

DNB FOREVER!

Eldrikk
Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:50 pm
#10

Wow Das-Veyordo you couldnt be farther from the truth. As a TKM/Master Pistoleer/ Fencer let metell youwhen using vibroknuckles and tanking an npc ill take approx4 out of 5 hits. And out of the misses not a single one of those will be an evade/block/counterattack. Now while I was a master Pistoleer then started going up the brawler tree for Fencer the npc's were missing me 4 out of 5 hits. Out of all this spam I was having around 2 normal misses and 2 evades. Thats as a brawler using fencing wpns not I dont have the fencing profession yet.


Also to the above post that says TKM's have no HAM costs whatsoever get off your little anti-tkm trip. The way I see all the melee classes with the exception of Pikeman is that we are fairly well balanced. So what if a TKM has 200+ accuracy or 200+ speed adjustment. As a master Fencer I **edit** near never miss and as far as speed goes it always caps at one anyway. The speed increase was made just to make fighting unarmed for TKM more of an attractive option instead of using vibroknuckles. Also any melee class will **edit** near kill himself if he tries to spam specials without some form of Doctor buffs/spices etc.. So dont feel that the fencer is the onlyone hurting here it happens to all classes.


As far as HAM costs are concerned though, the HAM costs on wpns need to be looked into and have a standardized HAM formula based upon the actual wpns dmg. Currently its pretty disgusting that ranged players can flame people, shoot lightning cannons, snipe with rifles and do upward of 7k damage easily while still paying a lesser HAM penalty than someone using a low dmg fast wpn.




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M0G4N
Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:07 am
#11




Raphayl wrote:


Just brings a rosy color to my cheeks.... my butt cheeks.





I'd like to see exactly how rosy said cheeks are...




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Minerunner
Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:15 am
#12

Raph don't you need to actually get spanked to get those Cheeks rosy? I mean honestly I've got a paddle I can loan your S/O if you really want Rosy Cheeks. Or do you have a naturally reddening buttox? That I have to see.


Course the person who needs red buttox cheeks is the noobslinger...


I've got some canes paddles maybe a good 24 ounce steel paddle with 440 Stainless steel spikes? That would teach him a lesson he wouldn't soon forget.


Last person I spanked with that couldn't sit for a week lost at least3 ounces of blood and begged for it again.





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KaliMirchi
Fri Dec 05, 2003 6:35 am
#13

Das probably has low secondaries. That's why his HAM costs are so high.




This is the problem with trying to make sweeping statements regarding the FACTS. Nine out of ten times the FACTS are particular to your personal char design.



Seesh.



Seena




SYRI, Mistress of Melee. Serious Melee Weapons for Intelligent Meleers. It ISN'T always about Damage!
I've been a successful melee combatant since launch. I know melee.
Short ride SE of Coronet. 804 - 5348

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