Fencer Archive
Thread: Looted Stun Baton?
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master_finesse
Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:10 am
#27
It looks like you post fequently. Hopefully you have something more to offer than "like it or leave it". I'm sure lots of people followed Hitler but it doesn't mean it was right. I'm sure lots of sheep follow the lead sheep over the cliff but it doesn't mean itis the smartthing to do. I wish I could call all the swordsman and TKAs sheep but it is the exact opposite. I suggest you don't post for those reasons. Your not offering these people anything by encouraging a flawed profession.We have enough sheep in this game.
I'm making the effort to show a flaw in the profession and hopefully someone will notice and fix it but until then either pay millions for weapons or become a swordsman. Otherwise your wasting your time. Swordsman are better tanks. The math supports it. The players support it, and apparently the devs support it.
TalusianRogue
Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:41 am
#28
master_finesse wrote:
It looks like you post fequently. Hopefully you have something more to offer than "like it or leave it". I'm sure lots of people followed Hitler but it doesn't mean it was right. I'm sure lots of sheep follow the lead sheep over the cliff but it doesn't mean itis the smartthing to do. I wish I could call all the swordsman and TKAs sheep but it is the exact opposite. I suggest you don't post for those reasons. Your not offering these people anything by encouraging a flawed profession.We have enough sheep in this game.
I'm making the effort to show a flaw in the profession and hopefully someone will notice and fix it but until then either pay millions for weapons or become a swordsman. Otherwise your wasting your time. Swordsman are better tanks. The math supports it. The players support it, and apparently the devs support it.
Your comparison to Hitler is appalling juvenile, and downright offensive. Understand, because now it is quite clear that this is your first MMO, is that there is an interdependancy between the professions. This is present in every MMO I've ever played because it encourages player interaction.
Furthermore, the math you speak of is nonexistant. You have yet to offer any evidence or valid arguements, only complaints. Truth be told, you do not understand this profession or this game, hence the like it or leave it comments pertaining to this profession. If you simply REFUSE to understand the point, I'm through explaining it to you.
Willful ignorance. Pathetic.
K1k1nth3m0uff
Wed Feb 16, 2005 8:28 pm
#29
master_finesse wrote:
Cool, I'm going to pay 1 Trillion credits for a Darthvader Bone batonwith 10000min, 100000max damage and solo a nightsister elder with it. But all of you who want to be fencers I suggest going with swords until you can afford one of these mythical batons. Or you could test your fencer skills on the corvette.
I'm using sarcasm to make a point. If you take on a 100K ham NPC doing 1000 damage you would have to hit 100 times. Sword would do 4000 damage for 25 hits. Even if fencer dodged 50% the swordsman would take 50% fewer hits. This wouldn't account for the swordsman's defences and toughness. Being a tank isn't about stretching out the battle. Your group would be better off if you output more damage faster.
For fencer to work you have to be able to mitigate as much damage where the probability that you die over time is at least 50% (more like 75%)less than a swordsman who outputs 4 times the damage.
i usually hate being rude, but to people such as yourself im always happy to insult 
ok, to start it off, i VERY highly doubt youve ever mastered fencer, better yet have even been a fencer, for more than a few days (at most)
swordsman may have power, but some dont have the millions of credits they need to buy CAs/AAs to make them speed capped, which makes fencer much faster, and speed=strength in importance
a master fencer with a normal to slightly above average weapon can do somewhere around 2-4K damage for some of the specials, but we hit 100 hits as fast as a non-speedcapped swordsman hits 25-50 hits (depends on weapons speed)
and frankly, flaming a freindly post such as this is unbelivablyidiotic to do, and you have just gained many enemies in the procces.
Warpa
Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:54 am
#30
Cronus6011 wrote:
Looted stun baton for sale on Chilastra Trade forums. 359-377 damage.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=chilastra_trade&message.id=205850
I wonder what he looted that off /drool
master_finesse
Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:23 am
#31
Again, its obvious you know nothing about the attributes that account for speed. If your not close to being speed capped as a swordsman you need to rethink your choice of weapons. Secondly, try participating in a krayt hunt with just a swordsman. Collect the data from the combat chat. Take an average of hits per profession, then talk about the fencer speed bonus. Secondly take the damage output and total and average it. Finally look at the total damage absorbed be each character.
My grinding weapon is 160-319 stick. I am easily speed capped. I am experienced enough to beat a tkm's dizzy knockdown. I can wipe out rebels right under your nose and you can do nothing to stop me. Experience isn't a factor. If I played swords or tka I would waste you faster with less effort and risk and I'm not a stacker. For you stackers, your perspective is skewed, try to keep this in mind.
As far as your opinion of your popularity you have to earn respect. My honesty will earn repect and hopefully get your blood boiling.
Jmkar
Thu Mar 03, 2005 12:53 pm
#32
master_finesse wrote:Again, its obvious you know nothing about the attributes that account for speed. If your not close to being speed capped as a swordsman you need to rethink your choice of weapons. Secondly, try participating in a krayt hunt with just a swordsman. Collect the data from the combat chat. Take an average of hits per profession, then talk about the fencer speed bonus. Secondly take the damage output and total and average it. Finally look at the total damage absorbed be each character.My grinding weapon is 160-319 stick. I am easily speed capped. I am experienced enough to beat a tkm's dizzy knockdown. I can wipe out rebels right under your nose and you can do nothing to stop me. Experience isn't a factor. If I played swords or tka I would waste you faster with less effort and risk and I'm not a stacker. For you stackers, your perspective is skewed, try to keep this in mind.As far as your opinion of your popularity you have to earn respect. My honesty will earn repect and hopefully get your blood boiling.
You may have *honesty* but you have no clue how to convey it. Swordsmens are good for pve, so is all the other melee professions. They are good against certain NPCs. For instance you would go against a Nightsister elder( you do know what that is right?) with fencer, but as a swordsmen you can kill elders. Fencers are awesome tanks, and they are good in pvp because of their defenses. Also consider this, whats the average damage of a power hammer? around 600 damage sliced on my server, now what is the usual damage of a gaffi stick? 290-300 damage sliced. I am experienced enough to beat a TKM's dizzy KD and I can solo jedi knights by myself so why are you bragging? Are those rebels the 900 Ham soldiers defending bases?
He prolly knows more about the attributes that account for speed than you ever will. They are 2 DIFFERENT professions and should not be compared evenly. Pikemen suck in pvp unless they have dots, swordsmen suck unless they are speed capped, fencers usually suck unless they have acklay weapons in pvp. Riflemen get outdamaged if they arent speed capped, would you like me to go on? The point is no profession is better than any others as a whole, fencer has good defenses, swordsmen has good damage, pikemen have good dots, and riflemen have good damage. You wont earn any respect untill you start showing it, and so far your not doing too well.
master_finesse
Thu Mar 17, 2005 10:39 pm
#33
I am in the process of migrating to swords. WOW!!! What a difference. Pure Power. I'm only about 25% into the profession and I'm already out performing Master Fencer. By the way. You can'tsolo a nightsister elder as fencer without defence stacking.
Stomach_Leibre
Fri Mar 18, 2005 6:28 am
#34
every weapon that exists(whcih players can make) exists as a legendary or exceptional weapon.
legendary/exceptional power hammers
legendary/exceptional LVA
ect
my friend has looted gaffi stick
min dmg 150
max dmg 417
speed 2.8
cond max 1200
and it is called exceptional gaffi stick.
so it is possible to loot great stun baton.
but it is more possible that an Acklay will give you bone +300
legendary/exceptional power hammers
legendary/exceptional LVA
ect
my friend has looted gaffi stick
min dmg 150
max dmg 417
speed 2.8
cond max 1200
and it is called exceptional gaffi stick.
so it is possible to loot great stun baton.
but it is more possible that an Acklay will give you bone +300
Trizax
Fri Mar 18, 2005 9:34 am
#35
Stomach_Leibre wrote:
every weapon that exists(whcih players can make) exists as a legendary or exceptional weapon.
legendary/exceptional power hammers
legendary/exceptional LVA
ect
my friend has looted gaffi stick
min dmg 150
max dmg 417
speed 2.8
cond max 1200
and it is called exceptional gaffi stick.
so it is possible to loot great stun baton.
but it is more possible that an Acklay will give you bone +300
Pretty sure ur friend just named it that if it has 1200 condition
aries_liak
Fri Mar 18, 2005 10:11 am
#36
As a Master Fencer and former Master Swordsman I find this kind of comical.
First off any master swords is going to outdamage a master fencer in 99% of combat. They wield ap2 weapons and have kinetic and blast as options. Unless the creature is 100% to both those stats they would out damage us every single time. Speed capped or not. We are talking standard crafted and slice weapons. I dont want anyone saying I can out damage you with my legendary/exceptional weapon. Duh!
I know for a fact. I have been both professions. We are good, but lets not blow smoke up players behinds with claims of being able to outdamage swordsman. You will not do this. Someone may be able to, but that is rare. Lets not pretend this isn't the case.
As for PvE tanks, no player is just 1 profession in this game. So anyone claiming a swordsman would die before them everytime is also making baseless claims because its impossible for them to state they have run every single template senerio and outlived everyone. I find it very unlikely a swordsman/doc does less pve damage and dies way faster then a fencer build. I have been a swordsman/doc and I outlived everyone on quiet a few dwb runs. Counterattack is a very underestimated skill and it like dodge is very effective and works. They hit the mind pool hard. We don't. In PvP a swordsman is probably just as effective as us because they just like us have the ability to counter weaknesses with other professions. We just happen to have a lot of built in defense, which they can pick up in a template.
I love fencer, but if asked by a player I would tell them that swords is probably better suited for them especially if they aren't hardcore into pvp or having a large bank roll just to by what we all view as average 200-275 damage ap0 weapons.
Jmkar
Sat Mar 19, 2005 12:16 am
#37
Warpa wrote:
Cronus6011 wrote:Looted stun baton for sale on Chilastra Trade forums. 359-377 damage.http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=chilastra_trade&message.id=205850
I wonder what he looted that off /drool
It was an exploited weapon, that the devs have fixed now.
Warpa
Sat Mar 19, 2005 4:25 am
#38
Jmkar wrote:
Warpa wrote:
Cronus6011 wrote:
Looted stun baton for sale on Chilastra Trade forums. 359-377 damage.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=chilastra_trade&message.id=205850
I wonder what he looted that off /drool
It was an exploited weapon, that the devs have fixed now.
A looted gaffi has just gone for a pc on shadowfire trade with good damage, could have been a lot better, but only got a 16% slice. I just looted one that is highlited in yellow, but i cant see that its any good, no mods, no dot and only 180 damage so im not sure whats going on there.
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