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Lead in on all attacks with intimidate nowadays then blind dizzy and lunge 1, I never really use warcry1 myself.

blind them with the poison knife.

dizzy 'em with the fire knife. then posture change.

beat the crap out of them with the acklay baton.

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Ypiana wrote:

blind them with the poison knife.

dizzy 'em with the fire knife. then posture change.

beat the crap out of them with the acklay baton.

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haha... you too?

whole combat system is **edit**ed up...fencers arent gettin screwed over as worse as alot of other classes

Message Edited by KraytDragonMan on 07-31-2004 09:03 AM

Devs! Please take notice! When the combat revamp comes drop all armor to 60% = Uber but get RID of stun layers, and keep PSGs or get rid of PSGs all together and keep stun layers, and if you dont do that for the love of god give us back our defenses, right now we are NOTHING

Minerunner help them see this, i think the fencer community would agree that having either weakness exploiting offense or strong defense with little offense is enough to define us as a proffession worth playing, we dont need to be uber but we need to have a purpose and right now we dont

well ive been a fencer for ages now, i think about 10 or so months and i have to say ive been pretty disheartened by the recent pvp changes to fencer putting us on the decline, some of these werent necessarily intended to "nerf" fencer but still hurt us in a big way, lets start things out with a list

1) Imp Prototype PSGs
2) Scatter Hit 2 Fix
3) Decrease In Effectiveness of Defenses (This Occured More than Once According to the Patch Notes)

1) ok so fencers were hot **edit** for quite a while with those stun batons until 40% stun armor came along. granted stun armor was in the game for a long time but it just wasnt discovered until it was entirely necessary the 50% for having ap1 vs stun as well as the extra 40% hurt the dmg output quite a bit for run-of-the mill batons. of course this was legit because stun armor had been in the game all along as had stun batons. but then came the imp prototype psgs, psgs w/ 3k cond and 40-60% vs stun, another double reduction that wouldnt decay as fast as normal PSGs, and as PSGs should. of course we had acklay batons at this time, but someone equipped w/ both a PSG and Stun Armor pretty much squashed a fencer's offensive power, which was OK...fencer was simply a deffensive proffession as the devs had probably intended

2) so our offensive is pretty badly hurt with the new def vs stun dmg but scatter hit 2 is still a great move for pvp...but wait! scatter hit 2 was actually broken! the seemingly great pvp move was never intended to be great but just ended up that way. scatter hit 2 is nerfed and the dmg is greatly reduced, but hell at least we have our defenses and should our foes not be equipped properly for pvp we can tear right through them

3) so our offense is crap against anyone who knows **edit** about pvp, but like i said at least we have our defenses right? wrong! as if it were a long time coming fencers are now more hittable in combat, and not just more hittable...completely and utterly wreckable! my ass gets plugged by pistoleers carbineers swordsmen and pikemen, classes with terrible accuracy! i hardly have **edit** any more even with 105 dodge and 100 melee / ranged defense!

so now the ultimate question

what can we do in pvp?

right now, we can run around and target whoever looks weak and pray that they're a noob enough to not have stun armor or PSGs (which rarely occurs)

so why am i so upset about this?

because not only has our offense been nerfed greatly (which is ok, we're less of an offensive class), but our defense, the entire foundation of our proffession has been crushed in pvp

without offense or defense, what kind of warrior can you be?


well, im curious to see if people feel differently or the same as i do about this issue because ive been really dissapointed lately with the changes to fencer...and though i will never surrender, a fix in the combat revamp would certainly be nice!

there was a time that riflemen would miss me or i would dodge about 3/4 of their shots, now granted that 3/4 is pretty unreasonable, without a good offense to beat on them with id say 3/4 is just fine

now they changed it so that fencers are no longer "unhittable" which we never were

the devs were trying to make it so carbineers and pikemen can get a shot in every once in a while (understandable)...but now heavy hitters like riflemen clobber us because the change was in direct relation with their accuracy

the stat defenses are still good but im very dissapointed in that change that they put in for the dodge and melee /ranged defense

my oponents have always been powerful, but im a master fencer master sword master brawler and it used to be when i hit CoB w/ air cake or pikatta pie i could dodge 3/4 of the shots now i use those and only manage to dodge about 1/5. im in a pvp guild and my guildies who are riflemen, carbines etc have told me the same thing, that they have much less trouble with fencers now because they can hit them 4/5 times, im going to do some tests and get the exact decrease etc, but ive checked this all out before posting and while my oponents may have gotten better, im sure the "balance" has had 90% to do with whats going on