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",,,if you do the math, a VB might have AR1 but still does less dmg than my 294 max dmg Gaderiffi. "
(Gaderiffi) 294Max AP0 vs AR2
294 / 2 ^ 2 = 74Max
(Vibroblade) 203Max AP1 vs AR2
203 / 2 ^ 1 = 101Max
Correct. But I wasn't dividing his max by 2 to get an average. I didn't use an average at all. The "divide by 2's" that you saw above were accounting for the armor rating deduction. 50% going from AP0 to AR1 and another 50% going from AR1 to AR2 for the Gaffi; but only 50% going from AP1 to AR2 for the VB.
As you mentioned, true averages must take into account the minimums too. But he did not give his Gaffi's minimum, so I couldn't factor that in. All he gave was Maximum, so that's what I used. If I were to "deduce" a minimum damage to the Gaderiffi he referred to based upon the normal Gaderiffi damage spread, it would calculate out toabout 177 after the same damage slice.
That would give a 177-294 AP0 Gaderiffi Baton vs a 62-203 AP1 Vibroblade.
Average for each would then be: 236 for the Gaffi, and 133 for the VB.
Factoring in the AR2 rating of the target, average hits would be:
- Gaderiffi Baton: 236 / 2 ^ 2 = 59
- Vibroblade: 133 / 2 ^ 1 = 67
Vibroblade still comes out on top.
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Why
Raphayl wrote:
Factoring in the AR2 rating of the target, average hits would be:
- Gaderiffi Baton: 236 / 2 ^ 2 = 59
- Vibroblade: 133 / 2 ^ 1 = 67
Vibroblade still comes out on top.
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
phantomRyce wrote:
Why wouldy
Raphayl wrote:
Factoring in the AR2 rating of the target, average hits would be:
- Gaderiffi Baton: 236 / 2 ^ 2 = 59
- Vibroblade: 133 / 2 ^ 1 = 67
Vibroblade still comes out on top.
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Ok i have no idea what the hell just happend there sorry bout that. Anyways.
Why would you take didvide the damage by 2^2? (4).
That would equal 59 which is:
236 * .25 , which is how much damage is reduced from ap1. But the mob has ap2 so wed do.
236 * .5 , which = 118.
118 is the actual top dmg to do agains that mob with a 0 ap weapon, the gaderffi in the example.
Doing the same thing to vibro its.
133 * (.50 - .25) = 33.25 dmg absorbed.
133 - 33.25 = 99.75 possible damage.
Atleast thats how i always understood ap to work. Feel free to correct me if i am wrong, because id really like to know the real stats on my weaps if i am.
Conclusion:
Gaderffi: 118
Vibro: 99.75
Gaderffi wins.
EasyMcRhinopants wrote:
Ah, I apologize for my erroneous conclusion, and throw myself before the mercy of the Correspondent.
I'll think about it.
Hehe... I have some honey-do's around the house I could use some help with.
Wow, the resources on Shadowfire are garbage. Best possible vk so far has been 57(?) - 197
sigh.
Raphayl wrote:
Correct. But I wasn't dividing his max by 2 to get an average. I didn't use an average at all. The "divide by 2's" that you saw above were accounting for the armor rating deduction. 50% going from AP0 to AR1 and another 50% going from AR1 to AR2 for the Gaffi; but only 50% going from AP1 to AR2 for the VB.
As you mentioned, true averages must take into account the minimums too. But he did not give his Gaffi's minimum, so I couldn't factor that in. All he gave was Maximum, so that's what I used. If I were to "deduce" a minimum damage to the Gaderiffi he referred to based upon the normal Gaderiffi damage spread, it would calculate out toabout 177 after the same damage slice.
That would give a 177-294 AP0 Gaderiffi Baton vs a 62-203 AP1 Vibroblade.
Average for each would then be: 236 for the Gaffi, and 133 for the VB.
Factoring in the AR2 rating of the target, average hits would be:
- Gaderiffi Baton: 236 / 2 ^ 2 = 59
- Vibroblade: 133 / 2 ^ 1 = 67
Vibroblade still comes out on top.
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Message Edited by Raphayl on 11-23-2003 10:42 AM
Well Id use a VB If I had one that even came close to 200 dmg, my best is 164 max..Sorry I didnt bother doing my own math,not my best subject.But on my calculatorthe Gaderiffi comes out on top..
M0G4N wrote:
Wow, the resources on Shadowfire are garbage. Best possible vk so far has been 57(?) - 197
sigh.
It that before or after a damage slice?
And Xendi, please make more clear that you have other things going on with your uber leet fencer skillz that help you do the things you do. It may reduce the flames you receive. Nobody (I hope) likes the nerf stick, especially sincewe just got the opposite in the latest patch (w/ def boosts, and working dodge. CoB is not ours alone). And for the disgruntled any slight chance of feeling the nerf really wouldn't be taken too well.
If you havnt figured out Im a Master Doc as well, then I appologize..Doesnt change the fact that without COB and Fencers uber dodge, id be toast in most of my fights..When FS npc busts out the Vibro lance with AR2 and cuts through my armour for 600 dmg thats when the doc skills come in handy..If it wasnt for defenses he'd be hitting me for 600 or more every 2 seconds..
Its nice to look at the chat log and see you evaded a 3200 special from a npc that would ave one shot you..