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How can people say that there should be no bonus against unarmored opponents when using AR2 or 3 weapons. Of course there should be, that's what the AR is for. Compare the combat spam with the numbers over a mobs head. If you're using a AR1,2, 0r 3 weapon against an unarmored opponent, the numbers over the head are greater than the numbers in the combat spam. That's because of the AR bonus.

So Alastor, I'm not sure why you think there is no bonus for using AP2 or AP3 weapons against unarmored opponents. If there is no bonus, then it's a bug like with the PH like I stated earlier.

But I digress....As to the point of the origional post. I don't think this was a good experiment, and I think he is Trolling about something that doesn't need to be dealt with.

The AP ( armor penetration ) only counts for a roll to check if the armour is bypassed on that attack roll or if it isnt if the damage is reduced on the roll NOT up'ed. Why do you think you dont get a bonus with a AP2 or 3 weapon against a unarmoured enemy?! Its just plainly bug'ed....

And no , you should not get a bonus OVER the AP rating... EVER....

Here's my experience with AP weapons (very limited I know). I've only the AP weapons from fencer adn swordsman. From what I've seen, it seems to be bugged real bad. Against something with AP0 and no resists, my weapon that do kinetic damage do more actual damage (the damage numbers above the head), than they do in the chat window. This means that their damage is being uped because of their AP1 or AP2 rating. I've done this with a vibroblade and a 2-handed curved sword. But I've noticed that with my powerhammer, if the creature is vulnerable to blast, the actual damage is the same as in the chat window. So Alastor, if what you're saying is true about the T21 is true, I'd say it is plainly bugged. For example, I've fought a creature with 20% resistance to kinetic, and vulnerable to blast. Logic would say that if it is vulnerable to blast, that you should use blast damage......of course this isn't the case because I can do more damage with the 2-handed curved sword with kinetic damage despite the creature being more resistant to kinetic damage. This just doesn't seem right to me.

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thee_ferret wrote:
Yes... please try this test out again using an attack other then scatter shaik and you will find different results. All of the scatter shots are bugged right now (Carbine: scattershot2 TKA: Combohit1, Combohit2, Fencer: Scatterhit2) They all ignore all kinds of defensive buffs, this means no unarmed toughness, no lightsaber toughness, no damage mitagation, no blocking, no counterattacking, no melee defense, no ranged defense, no dodging, and no synthasteak. Sucks don't it?

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Give that man the golden carrot. Its not the weapon its the move. Old news..."wait for the Combat Revamp". move along, move along....

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Alastor_Ragna wrote:

The AP ( armor penetration ) only counts for a roll to check if the armour is bypassed on that attack roll or if it isnt if the damage is reduced on the roll NOT up'ed. Why do you think you dont get a bonus with a AP2 or 3 weapon against a unarmoured enemy?! Its just plainly bug'ed....

And no , you should not get a bonus OVER the AP rating... EVER....

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Huh? AP does work, at least for me , master carbineer, my laser carbine(ap2) hits real hard against no armour targets. I shoot a no armourmob for 4100 in combat spam, the floaty damage is like 5200.

No armour bonus? You nuts?

Alright, the way I understand AP:

If the target is vulnerable to the damage type (NO RESIST), armor rating isnt factored in at all. Its the default damage. If the target has any amount of resistance to the damage type, armor rating is factored in. It depends on whether the target has a resistance to the specific damage type or not. Only if the target is *not* vulnerable is AP and AR factored into the damage.

I'm not good at explaining these kinds of things, but basically, against an unarmored opponent, AP has no effect (AR0 vs AP0). Against a creature with a resistance to your damage type, AP has an effect (either increase or decrease in damage). Against a creature with a vulnerability to your damage type, AP has no effect (AR0 vs AP0).

This is 2nd hand knowledge so don't quote me :/

You're correct Aukness, with one addition. If you examine a creature and it has absolutely no listing for a damage type, you can assume that creature's armor has 0% resistance to the damage type, meaning you'll still get AP bonuses.

ouch

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PoohBreath wrote:

Ok, let's try real hard to grasp what I'm saying. I wore no armor so I would get an unbiased comparison of damage done. I use a PH cause it's an extremely powerful melee weapon, and with the AP2, and myself not wearing armor, it does about 60% greater dmg than a weapon of AP0 with the same dmg stats. THE ACKLAY BATON IGNORES ALL DAMAGE MITIGATION. That's all that this post is proving. If it could be done, or if someone was willing to make a regular baton with the same damage as an acklay, i can only assume that one would find that the regular baton would do about 18th the DMG. BTW, buffed, I can take shot after shot from a master fencer with a gaffi stick, and laugh at him/her.

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LMAO... If you are not wearing armor then it makes no differance what AP rating the weapon has that is hitting you.