Fencer Archive

Thread: Petition to nerf acklay bones(again)

DarthVillanus
Tue May 18, 2004 9:55 pm
#14


Anyone who says a fencer killed them obviously wasn't wearing armor. I do 40 dmg using scatterhit2 and my 242-412 dmg stun batonon a person wearing stun armor and a psg.


Stop with the nerf cries. It terms of damage, fencers suck and blow. We have no viable ap1 weapons. We only do 2 damage types, kinetic and stun. The average fencer has a 200 dmg stun baton. Only extremely wealthy people can afford those 500 dmg stun batons. The high end acklay bones are extremely rare. I would say I've killed the acklay at least 50 times. The best bones I've ever gotten were 150/150. Most of the bones I get are 65/65.


The fact remains that anyone who wears stun armor and gets killed by a fencer just plain sucks. You would have to lay down on the ground and let the fencer whack at you for 2 minutes. Fencer has lots of defenses but almost no offense.


Message Edited by DarthVillanus on 05-20-2004 01:44 AM



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AelricMistrider
Tue May 18, 2004 10:10 pm
#15

Even without the PSG, we're still talking 40% resists..and who's to say they don't have one of your PSG's as backup?



Give us a decent AP weapon and people will move away from using acklay stun batons.






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Gadnar
Tue May 18, 2004 10:17 pm
#16

Honestly fencer is hardley a FOTM anymore. To kill a fencer, all you have to do is intimidate her, and then kite. The intimidate deals a huge blow to their dodging abilities. Just dont let them get in close and you're fine. Im guessing that you're a rifleman because 2/3s of the people who PVP are. Just run, and never stop, and just play smart, dont ever let a melee lure you into a close combat situation (around corners/in buildings). Its a simple matter of patience.



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LovelyJulez
Wed May 19, 2004 3:53 am
#17






raldurrm wrote:

with all these FOTM fencers around grabbing all the bones and getting 500+ damage stun batons i thought a nerf of the bones might make them go away. if you don't like the idea come up with a reason to tell me why. I don't want to be randomly flamed because this is a idea.


either vote 1 or 2 or 3 here are the options.


1) NERFT teh ub3r FoTm Fencers because theypwnedme and owned my dog in PvP!!!!!!!!!!111


2) nerf the drops of the acklay bones so the acklay cannot drop greater than 200/200's


3) Do not nerf the acklay bones.


ok thank you and i vote a 2.







3


If you nerf aklay bones your also nerfing other professions other than fencer.... My vote is this i think scatter hit is to powerful with dodge.... you cant be hurt and since basically scatter negates any mitigation i think or defense you have its pointless man...


I think the fact that a masterfencer can take down a 4,4,4,4 guardian is bit lame.. .. Thats my thoughts anyways... Aklay bone raley if ever drops anyhint over 200 these days and if it sum1 uses some its probably cause they have it stored away and now are using it...


anyways thats Way i feel

NameWithheld
Wed May 19, 2004 5:41 am
#18

I vote 3. I don't own any acklay bones. I don't even own a stun baton. From what I've read they are best for PVP but I'm mostly into PVE. I may eventually get a stun baton for PVE if I can get one with decent stats so I have a different damage type for kinetic resist creatures. I hate nerf calls. If a fencer with an acklay is taking out a guardian maybe the guardian is broken. Fix the OTHER class. Taking things away from a class isn't the only way to achieve balance. How about fixing the problem (assuming there is one) on the other end? For people (like me) trying to survive in PVE it really sucks when your class gets nerfed because someone complains they got "pwned" in PVP. I don't do a lot of pvp because I'm not very good at it. Why should my PVE experience be ruined because you aren't either?


Note: The 'you' here is not necessarily in reference to any previous posters but rather nerf-flag waving pvp sore losers.





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MadKrillian
Wed May 19, 2004 6:00 am
#19

Why they should be nerfed? Let me explain.


With master rifleman,(I've actually done this)I stand at my best range to get the best accuracy with my +50 accuracy rifle. I CAP my accuarcy mods standing and moving with attatchments. The fencer then center of beings. I shoot exactly fifty times. I hit twice.



THAT'S why they should be nerfed. ALL OTHER PROFESSIONS ARE NOT POWERHOUSES IF FENCER CANNOT HARDLY BE HIT, AND IF FENCERS THEMSELVES ARE THE NEW POWERHOUSE BECAUSE OF ACKLAY BONES AND INSANE DAMAGE WEAPONS.



NameWithheld
Wed May 19, 2004 6:06 am
#20






MadKrillian wrote:

I shoot exactly fifty times. I hit twice.







So instead of nerfing the fencer and screwing over someone who just wants to PVE why not increase the accuracy of a rifleman? Problem solved and I can still kill the same creaturesI could before you got killed in PVP.





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raldurrm
Wed May 19, 2004 6:41 am
#21

lol yes lets make rifleman better.
it seems many people are against this which is cool and if they have all that armor and psg...... use another proffesion. thats why we have skill points.......

vote so far is


1) 1

2) 3

3) 4



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Darth_Llama
Wed May 19, 2004 6:52 am
#22






NameWithheld wrote:





MadKrillian wrote:

I shoot exactly fifty times. I hit twice.








So instead of nerfing the fencer and screwing over someone who just wants to PVE why not increase the accuracy of a rifleman? Problem solved and I can still kill the same creaturesI could before you got killed in PVP.







Umm, Rifleman have 160 accuracy. 2nd highest accuracyin the game. How muchshould Rifleman have?

Message Edited by Darth_Llama on 05-19-2004 06:54 AM



yay!
NameWithheld
Wed May 19, 2004 7:24 am
#23






Darth_Llama wrote:






NameWithheld wrote:





MadKrillian wrote:

I shoot exactly fifty times. I hit twice.








So instead of nerfing the fencer and screwing over someone who just wants to PVE why not increase the accuracy of a rifleman? Problem solved and I can still kill the same creaturesI could before you got killed in PVP.







Umm, Rifleman have 160 accuracy. 2nd highest accuracyin the game. How muchshould Rifleman have?


Message Edited by Darth_Llama on 05-19-2004 06:54 AM





Well apparently it's still not enough. All I'm saying is there are other ways to balance than constantly swinging the nerf bat. People complain to much. They get beat in PVP so the other class automatically has to be nerfed. Meanwhile a PVE playerlogs in one day, kills a creature, then logs in the next day to find that same creature can now kill him simply because PVP combat is not "balanced". Why not just make every player play the same class with the same weapons/armor and the same skills sets. Then we'll have balance.





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RyloHoly
Wed May 19, 2004 7:51 am
#24

I Vote #4!!!

#4 being anyone who uses the term FOTM should have his eyelids stapled to his forehead and force fed sleeping pills...

Aukness
Wed May 19, 2004 7:53 am
#25

Ok, so a fencer can dodge and not get hit by a rifleman. Whats wrong with that? A profession is out there that can actually beat riflemen in a straight match up? I don't see the problem here. A rifleman can beat almost any other combat profession in the game, and here's one that you can't beat. Your uberness is threatened. How unfortunate.

Look, balance is not to have everyone having equal damage, equal defenses, all the same damage types etc. That would make for a pretty damn boring game if everyone was the same thing with different graphics. Balance is designating specific strengths and weaknesses to different professions so that there are professions out there you can beat, ones you will lose to, and ones that you're pretty equal to. If you can't beat a fencer in PvP, find a profession who can to save your butt. As others have mentioned, all it takes is to land an indimidate.

I will not feel sorry for *any* rifleman who complains that they can't take on a fencer solo, except me, because I happen to be both
Straker_Atrella
Wed May 19, 2004 4:10 pm
#26

Number 3


Here is why your example doesn't really hold water.


You shot at a Fencer 50 times and hit him twice... Where was his other skill points? I'm a fencer / rifleman myself, I have great ranged defense. I spent the points for it. Rifleman, get melee def as well, I'm sure the fencer missed you a few times too.


There are many factors that can lower the damage dealt by a Fencer, melee def, melee damage mitigation, stun armor. Just because YOU don't do well against them, doesn't mean others dont.





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