Fencer Archive
Thread: We need new weapons and weapon enhancements, and we need them NOW
Server: Shadowfire
Good post Fury... Very good post... I do agree with what you have said. Thats why I am biding my time an waiting for the rebalance we will get our fixes an adjustements in or around that time. We just got to be paitent.
As for vibroblades, I dout you probly use them in Player Vs. Player combat so you do not see the data I see. Or it just might be our server only with this odd little glitch. But tell me this, why Cann't I hit a non-armored player with a vb for more then 200pts which I see roughtly ever 10 or so hits. Most of the other hits are beteen 78 to 132. While my new alk-baton is doing 1011pts of damage to unarmed oppents with dizzy area 2. An 1300 with onehanded hit 3? *shurgs* If you say thier not broke in pvp you might want to re-look at your data. In Player Vs Creatures/NPCs the vibroblade works perfectly fine.
Below this is my newest combat data after this patch release.
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Again vibroblade used was 58 to 185, 2.6 speed
Agaist Unarmored Players in PVP combat.
Area dizzy2 58 to 132pts avg.
area blind2 60 to 140pts avg.
onehandedhit3 43 to 200pts avg.
Highest hit being 248 (using one handedhit3)
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Alk-Gaffi used 234 to 398, 3.2 speed
Agaist Unarmored Players in PVP combat
area dizzy2 150 to 800 avg.
area blind2 160 to 865 avg.
onehandedhit3 300 to 1000 avg.
Highest hit being 1140 (using one handedhit3)
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Anyhow I been a fencer since publish 1 an always have been a master fencer. I gone though the good, the bad, an the ugly of this profession. Every day I play I still remember the remarks of the rebel players on my server mocking fencers in the past. An now, those mocking taunts have become crys of fear an disbout in how I beat them in combat. I love the game, an yet I work hard at testing, an evulating many aspects others do not look at. Right now I am fiddling with the warcry adjustment. I am very very dissapointed that they kept warcry as cone, instead of adjusting it to area. Warcry hardly any use due to its current status of being a cone based attack. I opt it be moved to area based attack, thus it would give it more use. Anyhow... Back to testing some other fencer weapons an stuff.
and 2)I think if they upped the Vibro Blade it would be sweet, afterall it is my favorite weapon but I never use it cause it sucks.
KaliMirchi wrote:Falric wrote:
Name: Eva
Server: Shadowfire
As for vibroblades, I dout you probly use them in Player Vs. Player combat so you do not see the data I see.Are you addressing me here? If you are - how can you "doubt" anything about what I use in PvP, and what I don't? In fact I use my VB all the time in PvP - it's low HAM costs comes in very handy when your HAM bars are on the low side.
Or it just might be our server only with this odd little glitch. But tell me this, why Cann't I hit a non-armored player with a vb for more then 200pts which I see roughtly ever 10 or so hits. Most of the other hits are beteen 78 to 132. While my new alk-baton is doing 1011pts of damage to unarmed oppents with dizzy area 2. An 1300 with onehanded hit 3? *shurgs* If you say thier not broke in pvp you might want to re-look at your data. In Player Vs Creatures/NPCs the vibroblade works perfectly fine.
My vibro works just fine - in PvE and PvP. You're comparing a weapon with 58 - 185 damage to one with 234 to 398 damage - um hello? With mitigation, you're doing 3X the damage with the baton. Also - why don't you compare the damage done to an armored opponent?
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Every day I play I still remember the remarks of the rebel players on my server mocking fencers in the past. An now, those mocking taunts have become crys of fear an disbout in how I beat them in combat.Bringing faction into this discussion is assinine. And not even worthy of further consideration of what you have to say.
Seena
Message Edited by KaliMirchi on 03-18-2004 02:24 PM
name: Eva
Server: Shadowfire
Well first of all let me clarify something with you, I was talking in reguards to a alk-gaffi stick an stun baton. I hope that answers your questions about migration, even if I added an power upto the vibroblade the blade would only be doing around 58 to 215. Yes the two weapons are way differnt in damage at base an max, although if you caculate in the factor that the vibroblade should be doing additional .25% more damage it should be somewhat comparible to the data of the alk baton but slightly less. After taking the time to review the combat data information as well as go though an work on newer information. I am still failing to find why the vibroblade isn't factoring out correctly. You can say it works on your server, it might be. On our server the viborblades arnt doing so hot. Again if you read abit more carefuly you might of notice it may be just our server thats having this issue or not. *shurgs*
Secondly, I have alot of acutual up todate date involving vb's vs armored openents would you like me to post this information again? You might want to look at the thread I made. "Petition Fix Vibroblades" I think thats the name. Or just look up my last posts on the subject, this is all information realitive to my server an what is going on with the VB's from my combat data from publish 1-3 to 4-6 an the changes to the weapon in pvp. I have to admit for someone whom doesn't understand my process of thinking or formula its a bit at first confusing but once you read it a bit its easy very easy to understand.
Last but not least.... You draw more attention with honey... Not with a superior complex superiority that everyone is wrong an your write. Don't repeat the attuide vin has, your posts are informitive but a bit to agressive. I find some of your posts a bit to agressive in nature, tone it down a bit. Its not like anyone here is douting you or saying your wrong. Again We each have our own data an experinces, each server is differnt in some ways or another. So just relax, an work with us. As Fury said, you do not get any place by shout, whining an complaining an trying to draw the dev's attentions with the wrong manner. You do if you work though it an resolve things brining information to bear. (Its how I understand it)
I have to agree with fury_chaser threads like this do not help the issues, threads like this tend to draw out fights so to speak in chat. We need to post real information an data to help the dev's understand what were facing. I agree fencers need weapons, but when will we see them. Dev's need time to FIX the combat system. So when we are given NEW weapons they wont be underpowerd like most of our selection but well in line with what we should have or having new weapons so powerful they are to strong to be used. Like the Honor Blade back in beta testing an how to repair its condition to full for free by npc quest. As well as the Story Teller profession that never made it live, or possibly will be implemented later in game whom knows.
*shurgs*
I do enjoy this game alot in finding out old an new information, working on discovering bugs an issues with the class I play. Anyhow, I respect everyone on this form, an will present any information freely an willing to those that listen. Thank you again for your time all. For those that dispise me lets try to keep it civial, were here to work an fix the same problems we all share in comman.
server: shadowfire
GRRRRRR I did it again..... First line paragraph should read..
I was comparing the alk-gaffi stick vs the vibroblade.....
NOT
I was comparing the alk-gaffi with the stun baton
sorry about the mix up....
Falric?
Please refer to the last line of my post prior to this.
Seena
KaliMirchi wrote:Falric?
Please refer to the last line of my post prior to this.
Seena
Name: Eva
Server: Shadowfire
No need to, you already know the answer.
But to explain myself a bit on the faction comment it was in reference to publish 3 prior to the addtions to made to the fencer class. Mainly the boosts to dodge, defence range an melee. Along with the improvements to the class in general. During this time, I was an still am an imperial player on shadowfire, I fought many rebels, most of the rebels I battled mocked, insulted me an told me to get a real profession. You have no idea how frustrating it was as a fencer to get this type of talk, being killed by other melee an then mocked pretty badly. I love fencers, I enjoy fencers an I am a fencer at heart. I stuck with the profession though every insult an mockery. Honestly the fencer profession has come a very long way on its personal level of ablities. But yes, the weapon side is lacking a bit an needs to be addressed. Sooo, if I use faction based oppions its only flavor text nothing more. ^-^
No offence to anyone intended.
2. We *are* the melee equivalent of pistoleer - this comparison is made ALL the time, and is valid one.
Ranged professions should not be compared to Melee professions, people have been saying that since the release.
3. Your rancor teeth are useless- the increase in base weapon speed and increase in HAM won't justify their use - *especially* with that damagespread and mitigation.
What weapon speed? I don't remember mentioning anything about weapon speed, or ham costs? Maybe you're right about the damage spread, however. You can't blame me for not being able to find pre-nerf ackleys or current ackleys. Bria is a large server and the labs are probably camped. I'm just offering an alternative while you whine about wanting Krayt-level weapons. Oh I'm sorry, you were expressing your concern, not whining 
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4. Neither I or anyone else is "whinning" - (for the LOVE of god will you people who accuse everyoneofWHINING whenever they express a damn opinion thatyou don't agree with at least learn to spell the damn word). This is a forum to express your concerns. That's what I'm doing.
I made a boo-boo on the spelling. No need to whine to god about it. I'm expressing my opinions and concerns (see below) and what do you do? Knock them down. Nice. Nowhere did I disagree with the post you made above mine, so why don't you just chillax? You don't need to prove your man/womanhood to everyone on this forum every time someone replies to one of your posts.
5.I couldn't possibly care less about "cool". I want a weapon that is functional - and is competitive with other profession's weapons. It can look like a chopstick for all I care - as long as it does what it should.
I never said I didn't want a weapon that is functional. Don't make it sound like I did. Some of us want an actual sword for a sword wielding profession. If you don't care then why are you bashing on my "damn opinion"? I have concluded that you are a hypocrite.
"If you don't have something good to say, don't say anything at all"
Now, I was wondering if there was anyone out there that HAVE used higher quality (compared to the normal crap ones) rancor tooth on their weapons, and can post their weapon stats?
Ktzero3 wrote:
Ranged professions should not be compared to Melee professions, people have been saying that since the release.
LOL Um... and just as many people have been comparing pistoleer to Fencer. You can listen/selectively read what you wish. The facts state otherwise.
What weapon speed? I don't remember mentioning anything about weapon speed, or ham costs? Maybe you're right about the damage spread, however. You can't blame me for not being able to find pre-nerf ackleys or current ackleys. Bria is a large server and the labs are probably camped. I'm just offering an alternative while you whine about wanting Krayt-level weapons. Oh I'm sorry, you were expressing your concern, not whining
Rancor teeth INCREASE speed AND HAM costs- you don't*need* to mention jack **edit** about them. Duh - obviously you are speaking about something you know absolutely *nothing* about. Keep it up - you are the epitome of the "dumbimg down" of Fencer.
I made a boo-boo on the spelling. No need to whine to god about it. I'm expressing my opinions and concerns (see below) and what do you do? Knock them down. Nice. Nowhere did I disagree with the post you made above mine, so why don't you just chillax? You don't need to prove your man/womanhood to everyone on this forum every time someone replies to one of your posts.
This idiot statement isn't worth a retort. Much like the rest of your nonsensical drivel.
I never said I didn't want a weapon that is functional. Don't make it sound like I did. Some of us want an actual sword for a sword wielding profession. If you don't care then why are you bashing on my "damn opinion"? I have concluded that you are a hypocrite.
I'm bashing your "damn" opinion because it's ill formed, poorly stated, and not any different from the rest of the fools who cry "WHINNING", when ever someone doesn't agree with them.
Seena
. If not, then you'll make personal attacks about spelling, or call me a newb for not having experimented with rancor teeth to raise your self esteem once again! You claim that I'm the epitomy of "dumbimg" down Fencer, why? Because I called you a hypocrite? Because its obvious that you are and you can't handle it? "I'M NOT A ****ING HYPOCRITE!!! 
RAWR!". AHHAhaah get a grip, and stop whinning. 
Ktzero3 wrote:
Fools like you who can't take criticism? Oh yes,I did not claim I had ultimate knowledge about rancor teeth, that is why I was asking about them. Ya know, I'm not going to bother replying to this anymore, because all you can do is flail your arms and cry like a little baby when someone else states their opinion. You have no facts about your comparison of Fencer to Pistoleer, all you have is the fact that YOU think its a fair comparison, and by god YOU are always right.
You came into a thread about the lack of decent enhancements (ie rancor teeth), with a counterpoint, "on the brighter side I found these rancor teeth" without knowing anything about them. Personally I don't interject into a discussion without knowing what the hell I'm talking about. Especially when I'm disagreeing with what the poster has to say.
Rancor teetharen't comperable with Krayt. That was the point of this thread - more so than the need for new weapons. I made that point serveral times.
Nor do I call people "whinners" when they don't agree with me.
Like I said. The "dumbing down" of fencer.
Server: Shadowfire
*Just chuckles some at the last few posts...*
Don't they make a cute couple....
*Whistles innocently*
Least I am not getting attacked due to what I type in my posts this time, feels nice. ^-^
But honestly, He does have a point.... An you do have your point. Just expect people to critize you an deal with it. I deal with it alot, although I shurg an take it on the shoulder as well as listen to others advice...
MELEE should NEVER be COMPARED to RANGED!.... This is the key to our profession.... Yes we do share simularities but when it comes down to the actual nuts an bolts. Were completely differnt in nature! Focus on what can be done to improve our issues to better our class, not compare ourselves with our counter parts or other melee classes. When we start comparing ourseleves with others, bickering about whos got this an whos got that. It just makes a whole mess of things, an looses sight of the fencers goal an progression as well as its unquie flair. The other professions are thier own enity we are our own. Learn it, love it, live it.
So lets try to focus our attentions to improving what we currently have, new things will come in time. All we have to do is be paitent an work with the devs giving them feedback an info. Its not that hard to do, all you do is use your holocron an contact customer service or feed back. Egi: Curved sword.. It works well in pve, but i noticed that it has a huge disadvantage in pvp, how come a 500 damage sowrd is only doing 30pts damage??? You know what I mean.. Feed back, information an insight helps fix things faster then just bickering like school kids.
Um ok i dont understand what a lot of people are saying mainly because it just dousnt make sense. But anyways i have to fully agree that we need newmelee weaponenhancements that in some way compare to krayt tissue.I mean ive been with melee since the very beginning and ive killed well over400 rancors per week when i wason the hunt for decent rancor teeth. For one thing they hardly ever drop and when they do they are crap. I mean when people say they found good ones they are like 15-100 damage which isn't that muchif any better than a regular sword core due to damage migration. Andtissue dousnt replace anything it just enhances the weapon.This is a problem for all melee and needs to be dealt with fairly soon.
Also a wider range of useable weapons would be nice.
