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Now, I just wish I had not given that 653 Max Baton back to my guild when I left... Wish I woulda hid it.

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chardin wrote:
this new decay kit spells disaster for us.

sliced PSG = over 60% resist
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no-decay kit = 60% resist that cannot be broken and almost everyone will now have one because they onyl need to spend 30k for a sliced PSG that will never drop
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stun armor = using hit3 with a 310 min dmg stun baton for 5 points of dmg

this is not good.......

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Welcome to the world that's been long inhabited by Creature Handlers. You know: the one where you don't do any damage.

Now, just imagine if the devs lobbed in a few 60-megaton nerf nukes into the mix and limited you to AP-0/kinetic-only wooden clubs. Imagine further that your most dangerous special attacks now were non-functional, or else only worked randomly and at widely-spaced intervals, including all your uber DoT weapons only delivered their poison/mind fire/disease randomly. Or worse, let's say the best ones were revamped so they could no longer be used at all.

Take all those nerfs and strip you of all defenses, and you then might have some idea of how it feels to have an entire profession nerfed to oblivion. And then toss this thread into the Creature Handler forum and see how much sympathy you get.

Your stun batons are diminished in PvP? You poor lost souls....

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Iakimo wrote:

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chardin wrote:
this new decay kit spells disaster for us.

sliced PSG = over 60% resist
+
no-decay kit = 60% resist that cannot be broken and almost everyone will now have one because they onyl need to spend 30k for a sliced PSG that will never drop
+
stun armor = using hit3 with a 310 min dmg stun baton for 5 points of dmg

this is not good.......

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Welcome to the world that's been long inhabited by Creature Handlers. You know: the one where you don't do any damage.

Now, just imagine if the devs lobbed in a few 60-megaton nerf nukes into the mix and limited you to AP-0/kinetic-only wooden clubs. Imagine further that your most dangerous special attacks now were non-functional, or else only worked randomly and at widely-spaced intervals, including all your uber DoT weapons only delivered their poison/mind fire/disease randomly. Or worse, let's say the best ones were revamped so they could no longer be used at all.

Take all those nerfs and strip you of all defenses, and you then might have some idea of how it feels to have an entire profession nerfed to oblivion. And then toss this thread into the Creature Handler forum and see how much sympathy you get.

Your stun batons are diminished in PvP? You poor lost souls....

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lol, I know how borked and crappy some profs are.... ive played every profession. but just because one proffession is worse off than others dosnt give you the right to come in here and whine for sympathy (which is the only reason you posted in my eyes) and , the stun baton is the only thing that gives us an advantage and losing that, our profession is just as worse off because we cannot PvE either, so does that not give us the ability to /whine@eachother3?


BTW, if your not a fencer, whats the point of being here?

1st off, Don't come whine about your profession on a different profession board... Your fault you are a CH and still are after what you have just said. You have not sympathy from me... And who in the right mind would just use CH alone in the first place? Let's take this a bit deeper. 9/10 times, CH's have a Pistol skills in them... Lets talk about their weapons shall we. They have more AP weapons than we do. Fencer has 1 AP weapong... which is a butter knife if you ask me. So before you come and b*tch about us whining, let's look at your possible hybrids... Umm, Possibilities are endless... As TalusianRogue said... leave, we don't like your kind here.

First off, many people are being close minded about this. Keep your thoughts open about the post CURB (Combat Upgrade/Revamp/Balance) and have faith that Fencer won't be in such a damage rut that it seems to be in now. If the game and weapons are balanced then as fencers we have little to worry about.

Secondly, PSGs with LS protection may shift after you log off or whatever but a hardcore PvP'er would do the following with their PSG's... Pull PSG out of crate, put PSG into Anti-Decay Kit, Go pvp for a good long time, log out, Upon logging back in delete the PSG now that the stats have shifted and get you decay kit back, rinse repeat.

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Stealer-In wrote:
60% stun from PSG =40% stun from armor = no damage output for the fencer

Thats why god gave us a 300mind poison gaffi and scatter hit2

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NOt quite... 60% off ofa 1000 damage attack= 400 damage

then 40% off ofa 400 damage reduced attack= 240 damage

then factor in toughness, etc

Message Edited by Pink-Floyd on 02-12-2005 01:56 PM

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Pink-Floyd wrote:

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Stealer-In wrote:
60% stun from PSG =40% stun from armor = no damage output for the fencer

Thats why god gave us a 300mind poison gaffi and scatter hit2

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NOt quite... 60% off of a 1000 damage attack= 400 damage

then 40% off of a 400 damage reduced attack= 240 damage

then factor in toughness, etc

Message Edited by Pink-Floyd on 02-12-2005 01:56 PM

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Umm...

You are forgetting about Mitigations then the actual Armor. Please stop trying, you don't have an idea of what you're talking about.

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TalusianRogue wrote:

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Iakimo wrote:

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chardin wrote:this new decay kit spells disaster for us. sliced PSG = over 60% resist+no-decay kit = 60% resist that cannot be broken and almost everyone will now have one because they onyl need to spend 30k for a sliced PSG that will never drop+stun armor = using hit3 with a 310 min dmg stun baton for 5 points of dmgthis is not good.......

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Welcome to the world that's been long inhabited by Creature Handlers....

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Yep, these are the Fencer forums, for discussing fencer issues. This is a fencer issue. This post is totally out of line.I'm sorry about your profession, I really am, but this really isn't the place to take out your anger about it.

Condolences, but here's the Door

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(/mood MildSarcasm) Nice to see such open-mindedness.

I actually thought carefully before posting this. I thought it would be educational to check out other professions' discussions -- y'know, see how the other half lives and such. What I'm seeing, is EVERY forum has its share of whining. The cure for whining is often a dose of reality.

My purpose in posting was to offer a different perspective to this particular discussion. It could have been any of several threads you can see in this forum arguing for this or that to make fencers even more godlike than they already are. Granted, I crafted a provocative post, but I was curious about how you would respond.

The first few responses to my post are as I expected. They're typical of the smug go-to-hell attitude I run into in-game alltoo often among melee stackers.

There is no such thing as an issue that only pertains to any single profession. The state of the game for fencers affects everyone, directly or indirectly in ways both intended and unintended. For example, docs at one time before the game was released (while in beta testing) could heal all three HAM stats, including Mind. This made it so they could function like perpetual-motion machines. The devs responded by removing Mind from thehealing picture. The unintended consequence of that was that Mind became the prime stat for people to focus on in PvP. And since the hardest damage type to develop protection for was Stun, that in turn became the centerpiece of the next wave of development. Riflemen sought out Jawa Ion Rifles, and armorsmiths developed stun layers for armor and PSG's with stun defenses. And so the wheel turns. The thing is, while you and your cronies whine and lobby for improvements for yourselves in this or that element of your profession, the bigger picture is that the rest of the game goes further and further out of balance for everyone who is not a FOTM melee template. Where will it end? Will you only be satisfied when you've reached such a point that no one else can function in combat? Or will you press the issue until nobody feels they can, say,function in the game as an artisan, because they have to spend all their skill points on a stacker template just to venture out their front door? Who will make your acklay-enhanced stun batons then?

But then, all this discussion, including the original debate over stun batons versus high-Stun-defense armor/PSG/clothing combos will soon be irrelevant, once the CURB goes live. Personally, I wouldn't expect the devs to do anything about this issue between now and then.Based on the information I've seen from the developers, it's pretty clear it's one of the main issuesdriving therevamp. For my part, I can hardly wait. After all, this is supposed to be Star Wars, more or less -- not EverCrack.

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Endeva wrote:
No problems at all, people who know what they are doing have plenty of PSGs, no one in there right mind would spend a decay kit on a PSG thats for sure.

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a true pvper would, think we allready got a few on eclipse... that and they aint THAT hard to come by

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A true pvp'er would use the anti-decay kit on their best weapon, not a psg that will loose the ls resist after server reset.

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I never used a PSG for the exploited lightsaber resists that are on them before zoning, I used them for for the stun protection.

You can buy them from the community.

That means you can put one on ungodly weapons, and PSG's, yes?

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Saber Resists on PSGs are intended.

And if you destroy the item that the AD kit is on you recover it.

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kAotiC_HeRo wrote:

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Pink-Floyd wrote:

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Stealer-In wrote:
60% stun from PSG =40% stun from armor = no damage output for the fencer

Thats why god gave us a 300mind poison gaffi and scatter hit2

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NOt quite... 60% off of a 1000 damage attack= 400 damage

then 40% off of a 400 damage reduced attack= 240 damage

then factor in toughness, etc

Message Edited by Pink-Floyd on 02-12-2005 01:56 PM

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Umm...

You are forgetting about Mitigations then the actual Armor. Please stop trying, you don't have an idea of what you're talking about.

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No, you got me wrong, i was just showing that 60% shield plus a 40% armor does NOT equal 100%

1000 - 60% = 400(vs sliced PSG)
400 - 50% = 200(AP0 vs AR1)
200 - 40% = 120(Armor stun resist)

And there is still mitigation, toughness, and the Armor Rating on a PSG, but who the hell knows if it works. Some of you may have to drop your TKM/Fencer/M. Brawler defensive template if you want offensive power. Oh, the horror.