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Thread: A Question for Real fencers (no hologrinders please)

LordDarkness00
Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:07 pm
#1

Okay do you know what is going to happen on this patch that will destroy fencer? I've heard something bad is going to happen to fencers please explain in depth thinking of going fencer...

Also i'm continuing my research on the mysterious non exploiting (current) krayt soloer...

One option i was told was TeraKasi Master/Grenadeer (lv4 flamer)/ Rogue (lv4 diry fighter). With full buffs and 80% comp i was told you can solo with this..the trick is:
Burn, Health Bleed, tank with tkm and occasionally redo the statuses on the krayt...

I was thinking of trading tkm with fencer becuase of godly defenses plus getting me a health bleed better then the pistols 4 (idea of even though i do no real dmg to it with my sword i will do nice dmg with burn and bleeds)

Also i'm looking for stats on a sample krayt (just a ramdom krayt spoted please record stats ei, ham resistances)

Thanks for you help oh and by the way when i do find a way to unexploitly solo them i wont be snobby and hide it i'll tell everyone that wants to know



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Edge-Sul
Tue Feb 10, 2004 7:42 pm
#2

A master swordsman/brawler/fencer could solo a krayt. I did and I was like master brawler, master swordsman, a little of fencer and a little of tka. I had just mastered tka and i was slowly surrendering that for fencer. I had just started fencer. Just stack the mind bleeds, intimidate, war cry every 25 seconds or so, 20 so they have 5 seconds to attack usually. Of course, you'll need buffs... Get a rifleman/cm buddy and you can tear through them, until the patch that is..



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LordDarkness00
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:04 pm
#3

See...i need to know if that combo will be possible AFTER patch, thanks i'm working on rifles right now actually...mind bleeding...now what if i went swordsman/rifleman with dabble in fencer and master brawler?



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Vincentarasin
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:10 pm
#4

I can do in 65% ubese what a TKM can do in 80% composite. (I am a fencer)



Fencing is, by far, THE, most powerful meele profession in PvE, ESPECIALLY if you stack it with Mstr bralwer(for an actual knockdown, nice intim and WC)





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LordDarkness00
Tue Feb 10, 2004 9:41 pm
#5

...I see...so with master brawler/master fencer and buffs you can solo krayts? what if i added commando would that help?



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Guddy
Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:50 am
#6








Vincentarasin wrote:

I can do in 65% ubese what a TKM can do in 80% composite. (I am a fencer)



Fencing is, by far, THE, most powerful meele profession in PvE, ESPECIALLY if you stack it with Mstr bralwer(for an actual knockdown, nice intim and WC)









This is very debatable. Raw stats themself show that Teras Kasi Master are better in Player Vs. Enemy.On my Teras Kasi character i can tank a giant krayt dragon with no healing from other players, on my fencer i struggle with canyon krayts. The same goes for Nightsister Elders i can easily tank one using Teras Kasi but using Fencer Nightsister Protectors give me problems.




Anyway back to the question.



THE BIG BLEED NERF OF 2004!! This is your answer, maybe i should explain?? Well there has been alot of changes to bleed. According to my guild mates who have Test Center toons they were using bleeds hitting for 230 damage yet only getting ticks of 30-50.



Krayt soloing hmmm depends what krayt you mean rifleman is alaways gonna be good against heavily armoured things but then you dont have a tank do you. If your looking fora Fencer based template try this one.


Blademaster


Master Brawler


Master Swordsman


Rest into Medic

Or you could try the combo you was suggested and it is a very good one. Using Knockdown then warcry stick your bleeds and feign death.


Message Edited by Guddy on 02-11-2004 12:56 PM



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wickedHangover
Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:56 am
#7

It's not just a fencer nerf, its an across the board stat stacking and DOT stacking nerf. IT won't make you weaker in PvP (for the most part) but will make you weaker against the creatures we should not be soloing to begin with.


Publish 7 will give us a lot of strength back with the improved HAM calculations.


So don't worry about it, you'll still have no problem killing a lot of things. I've been adjusting to a fighting style of not using 2 bleeds and the only thing it has done is lengthen the battle (PvE) and overall I come out just as alive as when i stacked 2 bleeds. As far as the stat stacking, I never really did a "Template" for fencer, so I don't have any more than the most basic mods.


After this patch, it would be strongly advised for anyone serious about fencer to master brawler. These are the only stat mods that will stick for you, so you will still be an incredible tank.







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Vincentarasin
Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:03 am
#8






Guddy wrote:








Vincentarasin wrote:

I can do in 65% ubese what a TKM can do in 80% composite. (I am a fencer)



Fencing is, by far, THE, most powerful meele profession in PvE, ESPECIALLY if you stack it with Mstr bralwer(for an actual knockdown, nice intim and WC)









This is very debatable. Raw stats themself show that Teras Kasi Master are better in Player Vs. Enemy.On my Teras Kasi character i can tank a giant krayt dragon with no healing from other players, on my fencer i struggle with canyon krayts. The same goes for Nightsister Elders i can easily tank one using Teras Kasi but using Fencer Nightsister Protectors give me problems.




Anyway back to the question.



THE BIG BLEED NERF OF 2004!! This is your answer, maybe i should explain?? Well there has been alot of changes to bleed. According to my guild mates who have Test Center toons they were using bleeds hitting for 230 damage yet only getting ticks of 30-50.



Krayt soloing hmmm depends what krayt you mean rifleman is alaways gonna be good against heavily armoured things but then you dont have a tank do you. If your looking fora Fencer based template try this one.


Blademaster


Master Brawler


Master Swordsman


Rest into Medic

Or you could try the combo you was suggested and it is a very good one. Using Knockdown then warcry stick your bleeds and feign death.



Message Edited by Guddy on 02-11-2004 12:56 PM






I have highlighted on your lenghty post whatI am debating.



In short, your leaving alot out. If you mean, Toe To Toe, Meele, Nonstop, your full of it.


If you mean, FLAME/BLEED/FD then yeah you probaly can, Big supprise so can I.


I am not sure why you feel TKA is better, Acuity does not seem to work, I sure take less base damage then a TKM, and according to the acuity, it should be the other way around.



I will go so far as to say, No ONE person (Alone, one character) can solo a Nightsister Elder, with NONSTOP MEELE WITHOUT USING LANDSCAPING EXPLOITS.



Now, with another char, or a hybrid (commando) then yes, you quite possibly can solo them "alone", I can, with alot of food, no reason a TKM cant, they arnt nerfed as bad as pikes or swords.





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Guddy
Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:31 am
#9

you are missing to very big differences. Tank, tanking a creature or person is taking damage while other things kill. Soloing, soloing a creature or player is were you are the only form of damage and damage taker. Taking less damage than a teras kasi i dont think so a toughness difference of 25 i think it is basically means you take 25%more melee damagae. I never said teras kasi are better i said there better tanks in player Vs player if i could control a fencer and a teras kasi at the same time the fencer would win everytime



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LordDarkness00
Wed Feb 11, 2004 9:36 pm
#10

When i mean soloing i mean no help from other PLAYERS i dont care if i need ch so what is your suggestion the best i've seen is still the Grenadeer/Rogue/TKM combo...ch's spend to much time healing and if your pet dies you done for....



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PikemanAreRarerThanJedi
Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:14 pm
#11

tkm/master fencer/ master brawler. nuff said.



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LordDarkness00
Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:36 am
#12

Only problem with that is i will need full 80% kinetic comp...and my mind will eventually wear down even with spice/food it will go down and if i can't kill it in 10 minutes with spice i will probably die after that i'm a zabrak and yes all my mind stats are maxed even with full buffs and food wearing 80% comp my mind wears down quickly...



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Proud member of the Templar of Xionics

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"why are you getting so upset its just a game!" - "Its not the game...its just i have great expectations of the players!"
YamadaMan
Thu Feb 12, 2004 6:57 am
#13

sorry about that, read my sign... there's NO WAY I could solo a Giant Krayt Dragon.
we went there with some buddies, another one had a similar template and we both tanked with warcry2 and used the bleeds (fencer/health), while the other ranged guyz were dealing the damage (mainly pistoleers and one commando, not master). the fight lasted at least 20 minutes (didn't set a timer so it's an estimation).

GKD has about 300K HAM and hits strong, no way it can be solo'd without exploiting terrain and without ranged skills, plain and simple.



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