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Thread: fencer.. why?

Kenshin-dono
Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:00 am
#1

im going master brawler, and was going to do master fencer, but there doesn't seem to be much of a point. Since us brawlers get no real noticalbe melee defense the goal is to drop your oponent as fast as you can before it chews you up.. and i havent noticed the speed being enough of a bonus to compensate for the weaker dmg, when swordsman do so much more. its also lame that we get dodge instead of counterattack.. counterattack you take no dmg and deal it in return, dodge you just take no dmg, bah. i would think fencer should have more defense in general because of their increased mobility.


can anyone sell me on this profesion? really thinking of just going swordsman instead..


^_^x KD

WorstSpec
Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:04 am
#2

One handed sword expertise gives you the title "Apprentice Swordsman"


Don't ask me why, it just works like that in game. maybe it's a bug. I'm not sure what title is given to the two handed weapon users, but I've never seen the title "Novice fencer" or "Apprentice Fencer" above any of the players in the game. (I have One handed sword expertise and it lets me choose "Apprentice Swordsman.")



:/


FluxHavoc
Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:01 am
#3

Heavy swordsmen get the "Apprentice Heavy Swordsman" tag instead.



Asenka Tenken, Ahazi.
Fencer.
Kenshin-dono
Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:19 pm
#4

hrm, thats interesting to know but doesn't really answer my question =P whats the real draw of a 1h swordsman, they seem so weak compared to 2h



also anyone know which style gets swords more alnog the liines of katanas? They're actually 2h weapons, but most games throw them in the 1h category for some reason.. are there even any in the game?

^_^x KD

Aziz-Kettemoor
Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:14 pm
#5

There are both one and two hand curved swords with the look you're after.


As far as why? Well, I do it because I think it's cool. Not terribly effective at times, but still **edit** cool. Is there a better reason?

TrebGarrett
Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:29 pm
#6

Katanas are called Curved Swords, and there's 1H and 2H versions of them. I have one, but I use a Vibroblade with similar speed and damage but lower HAM costs. Too bad, tho... that Katana looked cool.

As for why 1H vs. 2H..., for me it's Speed, Defensive Abilities, and Uniqueness. I see more TKAs and 2Handers out there then 1Handers.

But to break it down for you..

Master Fencers get:
* Alertness: +10
* Combat Equilibrium: +30
* Defense Vs. Blind: +20
* Defense Vs. Dizzy: +20
* Defense Vs. Intimidate: +20
* Defense Vs. Knockdown: +40
* Defense Vs. Posture Change: +40
* Dodge: +25
* Melee Defense: +24
* One-handed Melee Toughness: +20
* One-handed Weapon Accuracy: +110
* One-handed Weapon Speed: +90
* Ranged Defense: +19


Master Swordsmen get:
* Counterattack: +25
* Defense Vs. Blind: +10
* Defense Vs. Dizzy: +20
* Defense Vs. Intimidate: +20
* Defense Vs. Knockdown: +25
* Defense Vs. Posture Change: +10
* Defense Vs. Stun: +30
* Melee Defense: +20
* Ranged Defense: +15
* Two-handed Melee Accuracy: +90
* Two-handed Melee Speed: +75
* Two-handed Melee Toughness: +20

So Fencers get a net +15 Speed, +4 Range & Melee Def, +20 Accuracy, +15 vs. Knockdown and +30 vs. Posture Change over Swordsmen, plus Alertness, Dodge and Combat Equilibrium.

Swordsmen get +10 vs. Blind, Counterattack and Defense Vs. Stun.

Also take into account that 1H weapons are *generally* faster and 2H do more damage.

Someone else can talk about the combat moves.



Chondo, Rodian Smuggler, Kauri
Kenshin-dono
Tue Jul 15, 2003 2:31 pm
#7

hrm thnx for the breakdown givers me something to look over. But something you neglect to mention, ya fencers get dodge, but 2h get counterattack, which is better than dodge in every way, it makes them miss AND you deal dmg, dodge they just miss. i would say that actually gives 2h the defensive advantage, not 1h
Eureni
Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:42 pm
#8

without listing them, since you can check them out in game yourself, i can tell you that i dont need counterattack if they cant attack me to begin with. Certain combos available only to one hand sword users aver extremely useful towards humanoid npcs causing you to take very minimal damage.



Abrodan En'Tran


Novice Fencer of Flurry

Darthjesi
Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:53 am
#9

To be honest, I choose fencing because when I started the game the weapon they gave me was a survival knife (which is one hand) and I could not afford to buy an axe. Finally when I got enough money to buy an axe I was already at expert one hand so I decided to stay in fencing. Which is pretty cool by the way. I love the Rykk Blade (it looks soo awesome)



Wow Eve you do 3000+ damage a hit? Whats the stat on your Rykk Blade? Currently I am a novice fencer (which they gave me novice swordsman as a title...hehe and alot of people keep asking me to train them in 2H and then they get confused when I tell them I am 1H spec hehe) and my Rykk Blade is 57-148 damage speed of 4.1 and I do about 750+ damage with the One hand hit 2. Only drawback I can think of about the Rykk Blade is the HAM special move cost. It takes alot almost 50's on each bar.


As for lunge-dizzy combo.. does it matter if you do lounge or the dizzy attack first?




"One Light, One Blade, One Purpose"
Kaie Jae'feth (Blademaster/Master Doctor)
Starsider
EveLibertine
Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:20 am
#10

man you need to get a better ryk blade, mine is 49-167 2.8 the damage is sliced , not the speed



Corp Por
Swash Buckling Space Pirate Revolutionary
Fencing/pistoleer/Smuggling/Meditation
Bloodfin

"Never trust a revolutionary who won't dance"
"Smash the state!"

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Darthjesi
Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:49 am
#11

Whoa 2.8 speed thats sweet.


Thats 2x faster than what I have now




"One Light, One Blade, One Purpose"
Kaie Jae'feth (Blademaster/Master Doctor)
Starsider
EveLibertine
Wed Jul 16, 2003 12:16 pm
#12

I love fencing, i have almost gotten to the 2nd tier in fencing and I love it, my melee hit2 does 3000+ damage if i knockdown then dizy them, people underestimate fencers alot, I have won tons of duels and kicked much ass. not too mention youll be unique, at least twice a day i get asked what class I am and where i got my ryk blade. cuz im a pirate! arr



Corp Por
Swash Buckling Space Pirate Revolutionary
Fencing/pistoleer/Smuggling/Meditation
Bloodfin

"Never trust a revolutionary who won't dance"
"Smash the state!"

ITS ME!: http://pic8.picturetrail.com/VOL223/1365103/2597576/42520469.jpg
FluxHavoc
Wed Jul 16, 2003 1:22 pm
#13

I have a Ryyk that does roughly the same damage (only slightly more mindmg)as your Rantok but at 3.1 speed. It nowhere compares to my curved blade (seriously it looks like a friggin katana) that's 55-140 at 2.2 (!!) seconds sliced. Speed is everything. With the sword speed modifiers and at a 130-280 damage range and about 3-4 hits a second I'm getting 500-1000 damage per second without any specials...



Eve: how are you doing knockdowns? With which skill? Is it on the 1h tree?




Asenka Tenken, Ahazi.
Fencer.
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