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Hi,

I'm wondering what your opinions are on the subject of Master Brawler/Teras Kasi. Are the lunge/berserk upgrades and minor unarmed combat bonuses worth the relatively large amount of points spent?

A little cut & paste from my post on the brawler forum:

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I've been testing berserk and berserk 2 ever since I got to master brawler... I've noticed that berserk 2 doesn't increase damage output by much, but it lasts around 2-4 minutes. The +20 berserk bonus helps normal berserk a LOT. Before it I used to fail berserk 4 times in a row very often, if not more. Right now I haven't fail on either berserk more than twice, and very rarely fails at all. Against mobs that I know I'd need rest between fights, I use berserk 1. Against multiple mobs, with a healer I'd use berserk 2 to keep going. And natrually, against easy destroy missions berserk 2 works well.

Other than berserk, the defensive bonus from master brawler helps a lot too. I've noticed I dodge more while not in berserk, and the damage from mobs decreased 5-10 or so. The skill bonuses is nice too, every little bit helps.

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As for the lunges, unarmed lunge's knockdown effects helps, but does 4 damage (ooo a little better than lunge1)... the HAM cost is extremly high with vibro knucklers, so I'd suggest taking VKs off before using it. But personally I think unarmed knockdown 1 would be a much better choice to use than lunge2.

Im a noive fencer right now and it seems im not getting enoough xp and i can only solo humaniod type creatures. Cause lunge 1 never works on animals for me So i was thinking maybe just to solo things with like 3-4k hp i can get lunge 2, for lunge 2 dizzy combo cause i know knock down works on monsters well. it will make me able to get xp faster. But do u guys think it is worth it? or is there a better xp place i dun kno about?. Also i think beserk 2 and the extra +5 in speed might help well i dunno tell me if this is the right path.

you don't need to hunt big games to get good exp. Last night, I milked 20K of exp from Zoar Boar. Use your SPIN ATTACK!! I can kill all 6 boars that are surrounding me easy. Just hit the Lair, run to an open area and start spinning. Trust me, each of them gives to about 300 exp. you get 20K in like 30 mins.

lunge2 is broke , it takes ham but may not KD your target at all. happens like that with monsters and PCs

I am a mster brawler and lunge 2 does work. but it doesn't work well on high npc like it took me 2-3 tries to knock down a tusken warlord. Also master brawler is good but im thinking zerk2 is either broken or just increases attack speed cause whne i zerk 2 its only like a 5dmg increase from Zerk1 but zerk2 last 1min 30sces and ur speed is increased a little idunno if its broken or just me help me out if u can.

I havent actually timed it Pot but I think zerk2 lasts longer than 2 mins. It also does around double damage. They are gonna nerf the damage a bit but I think it will still be good for speed killing lower level mobs. If you have someone else doing most of the tankning it is also good because it saves you ham usage. You do swing a little fasteras well. As fencers tho I recommend getting a good weapon with low ham usage. You can just spam your special attacks better than any other melee profession (at least with all the weapons that I have seen).

I'm a TKA novice right now and I was looking at master brawler, the mods don't seem to be that much but intimidate 2 and berserk 2 look ok. Should I bother getting Master brawer?

the extra toughness helps, the intimdate 2 rocks, and that alone for PVEnviorment is possibly worth the points. intimdate 1 doesn't cut it in pve, unless you have alot of pets helping.

PVPlayer master brawler atleast in my opinion doesn't really buy you much. I mean compared to what you could be spending those points on, its probably one of the lowest return in captial (skill points) in the game for a TKA. Id even suggest that master dancer is more usefull.

Lunge2 does 800dmg in PVE. It can be done without VK at 16-17M. You can effectively WarCry2 a ranged guy, and as long as you stay within that range spam Lunge2 on him. He wont get KDed but the dmg will still land. So, its quite the big difference. Hits hard enough to keep you alive. Just watch out for the HAM drain (with buffs and such it shouldnt be a problem)

800dmg pve is 200 pvp...if you are lucky to do that much. i droped Mbrawler before the patch, so i can't say for certian, but id be willing to bet that comapred to KD2's dmg increases that lunge 2 would maybe hit for 100 pvp, at the cost of more ham then dmg delt.

that time you spend chasing somone could be used to simply warcry 1 intimdate 1 use lunge 1 tell it lands, use kd2...game over...

basicly if you land kd2 the agmes over for the target. the goal should be kd2, and trying to apply it to the person. master brawler buys you somthing, and thats for sure int he pvp arena....but what im saying is it doesn't buy you all that much. that same dmg from lunge 2 at the cost of more ham per dmg is the dmg that two ch pets does costing you no dmg, frees up your combat que- and opens more tactics for you.

im not suggesting go ch, im just saying in pvp specificly, there are better options, and like why i gave up squad leader...i wasn't satisfied with what my points bought. perhaps you enjoy it, and if you do, thats great.

I thoroughly do. I've never lost a PVP battle since I had Master Brawler, that says a lot. I'm not even TKM yet. 0/4/4/3 TK. I've lost a few to ranged guys but not one to any sort of TK even TKM/Doctor, or other melee profs. And this is all due to MB skills + Unarmed Hit 2 from TK

Well to put my story in...I had M Brawler w/ 0/4/4/3 duel me. Well I had the same TKA skills as him but with Master Dancer. I Dont see how I could not have been incap. He used the special moves that M Brawler has and all. I dont know where i was going with this but ...yeah!