Entertainer Archive
Thread: Ideas from a non-entertainer
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AlonzoOdantis
Thu Apr 01, 2004 4:29 am
#1
let me say i'm NOT an entertainer, i used to be a musician for RP but i've dropped it since about 2 months after launch. Anyway that being said here are my suggestions I have for you guys.
Also let it be known my interest in this class is VERY high, any of you on Gorath may know me as the manager of The Kreetles, a jazz band that plays in the Crazy Roba on fridays. Reason i say all this is I love the class and I want the best for it but some of the things i'm about to suggest might seem like a bit of a nerf. Let's get those out of the way first:
1) I don't like not being able to dance to your music. The only dance non entertainers can do is "/dance" which is ridiculous looking. My suggested solution to help people actively "enjoy" a good performance and get involved in it would be this:
Non entertainers can dance various dances, let's say a fast one, a slow one and maybe one other. for examples sake let's say one of these chosen would be "Basic" This person could do the normal dance move of basic, but NO flourishes, this would make it clear who you pros were and who was jsut dancing for enjoyment. I knwo you guys don't wanna see bob the carbineer shaking his thing as well as you.
2) For ID. Let me fix my own hair a bit, let me shave myself. THose things shouldn't cost skillpoints. I can comb my hair back without spending years in beauty school.
Now that the "nerfs" are out of the way i suggest the following benefits:
1) bonus xp for ACTUALLY being there entertaining. To an extent where its not a fast class but would make people not just afk it all day.
2) Dancer and musician gets a bonus at master entertainer, ID gets none, this isn't right
3) Dancer and Musicians should be able to heal BF at camps, this would serve as a double helper for entertainers and rangers/scouts since now with vehicles and such able to be called anywhere cmaps are pointless.
4) make it easier to coordinate a band. horns, bass, etc should have slash commands. Something along this line, bare with me for crudeness of specifics, these could be worked out later. /bandflo 1 4 7 1. This controlling various instrument types, like /bandflo *horns*, *bass*, *mandoviol*, *nalargon*
5) not sure if this is an entertainer issue or only matters are dancer/musician elites but just in case: Your buff is limited to double of the persons current mindpool. At the same time, doc buffs have no limit based on the player being buffed. I can go from 400 health to 3000 health, yet my mind pool and mind stats cna only be doubled or less. I know docs have to expend items, but fine, give entertainers items or something.
6) Makeup kits for ID: Various self grooming kits. This goes with the earlier thing of saying i should be able to shave myself. Sell me razors. I can brush my own hair. Sell me a brush. This might make ID a viable moneymaker.
Panthu
Thu Apr 01, 2004 6:26 am
#2
I know you put this in the big thread too, but I don't want to take up space on that one. 
Anyway...
Anyway...I'd be fine with those "nerfs". I can't stand being with out novice ent on any of my alts because I am so insanely miserable not being able to dance, hehe. It's an important social emote in most games and I think it's depressing when over half of the crowd at a player event can't boogie to the band. *thinks this would be a great way to use those fall anims we all hate so much* mwahaha
4) You can... /bandflo 1 slitherhorn works, just name the instrument... dancer /band commands are yet uncharted territory
6) ID crafting is going to happen most likely
All the rest look pretty good and I think The Kreetles sounds fun!
Tiaga
Thu Apr 01, 2004 7:21 pm
#3
Try being a twi'lek that can't even move their own (prehensile) lekku without help or skill points spent. That one always boggled my mind.
I don't really see a problem with having some basic dances available to all. I mean, anyone can go to a club and move. They may not look good doing it, but they can do it. Footloose or rhythmic (unflourished) might be a good candidate for this. Not sure about a slow dance though. Maybe instead of forcing it unflourished, make it so you're dancing as an entertainer would for the dances you can do, but any flourish results in a fall, or a very high chance of a fall.
Of course, if they do that, I'd want a way to force a fall for entertainers, so they don't get jealous.
There've been times I've wanted to fall, for some reason or another.
I don't really see a problem with having some basic dances available to all. I mean, anyone can go to a club and move. They may not look good doing it, but they can do it. Footloose or rhythmic (unflourished) might be a good candidate for this. Not sure about a slow dance though. Maybe instead of forcing it unflourished, make it so you're dancing as an entertainer would for the dances you can do, but any flourish results in a fall, or a very high chance of a fall.
Of course, if they do that, I'd want a way to force a fall for entertainers, so they don't get jealous.
There've been times I've wanted to fall, for some reason or another.
ArgentWulf
Fri Apr 02, 2004 6:26 am
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Tiaga wrote:
Try being a twi'lek that can't even move their own (prehensile) lekku without help or skill points spent. That one always boggled my mind.
I don't really see a problem with having some basic dances available to all. I mean, anyone can go to a club and move. They may not look good doing it, but they can do it. Footloose or rhythmic (unflourished) might be a good candidate for this. Not sure about a slow dance though. Maybe instead of forcing it unflourished, make it so you're dancing as an entertainer would for the dances you can do, but any flourish results in a fall, or a very high chance of a fall.
Of course, if they do that, I'd want a way to force a fall for entertainers, so they don't get jealous.
I like the crowd dancing ability and . . . well the patron falling bit. . . is shear evil genius
nvoigt
Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:25 am
#5
I'd say give unflourished dances to everyone for 1 skillpoint. Almost every character I have has skillpoints left. As an alternative, grant popular to all players without flos. I mean, even I can dance "popular" unflourished and I'm about as non-dancy as it gets...
lockage
Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:40 pm
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Although dances for non dancers would be cool, i wouldnt like seing bozos come in front of me and dance around me just cuz they can. I don't think its a good idea, if it is implemented i wish its only basic, cuz popular is simple but its still a novice dancer skill and takes some time to get it. This is off topic, but if you begin to think like that, why would a master pistoleer do more dmg with a pistol than a novice pistoleer ? its a gun ! Or why making simple sandals, takes some skill in tailoring ? its only some leather with rubber !
My 2 cr
Tiaga
Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:58 pm
#7
lockage wrote:Although dances for non dancers would be cool, i wouldnt like seing bozos come in front of me and dance around me just cuz they can. I don't think its a good idea, if it is implemented i wish its only basic, cuz popular is simple but its still a novice dancer skill and takes some time to get it. This is off topic, but if you begin to think like that, why would a master pistoleer do more dmg with a pistol than a novice pistoleer ? its a gun ! Or why making simple sandals, takes some skill in tailoring ? its only some leather with rubber !
My 2 cr
Using the pistoleer example..
Anyone can pickup a DX2 and shoot it. But only a pistoleer can effectively use it.
Sir_Voor
Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:00 am
#8
In RL I have to comb my hair and shave because hair grows and getts messy, but because of game machenics that can't be done, yet. Hair care is 90% of my bussiness and with out it I'd be out of bussiness. ID is going to get some love and maybe self ID stuff will be included, (lipstick and eyeshadow). The number of style for lekku is sad, and IF IDers ever get more, "lots more" I thinkI would not mind it if a few basic style where open for all to use. Once we know what is in Publish 8 & 8.5 I may feel diferent.
AlonzoOdantis wrote:
2) For ID. Let me fix my own hair a bit, let me shave myself. THose things shouldn't cost skillpoints. I can comb my hair back without spending years in beauty school.
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