Entertainer Archive
Thread: Stop the freeloaders. Help create your entertainer server UNION
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LeProfesor
Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:29 pm
#1
the list is not nessesary. At this point we need to make a difference and let THE DEVS / players know, we are dead serious. you can use the /deny on the same person again to lift the ban.
LeProfesor
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:20 am
#2
My dear fellow entertainers,
It has being a long hard year for us entertainers, we have gotten some perks and new missions have being added. That is good for the pitch at becoming an entertainer. But since the day you took on the entertainer proffesion and stayed with it there has being very little change unto how " WE " make a difference in the SWG world. There you have the crafters, making loads of credits per hour, they drive the economy. Then you have the combat classes, they can make 1 million credits in as little as in a HAM buff from a doc. and at the end of the food chain, is us.
This has to change!
I am master DANCER - MUSICIAN and I propose my dear entertainers that we should make a difference in this economy and make the " AUDIENCE " stop the freeloading of watching us or listening to us so they may heal their wounds. The cantinas of these servers/planets/galaxies have no ticket collectors or entrance fees. We are underrated and abused for the time we spend entertaining people.
I propose all entertainers should DENY the audience and get paid for offering these services at cantinas. Of course otherwise if you are grinding/learning about your entertainer career. But for us MASTERS who enjoy the entertainer proffesion demand attention and fees to get our services. We should reign in popularity and demand more attention from players in this game. I encourage you to do this and lift this proffesion to a new level of credit making.
So I encourage ALL entertainers to use the /deny command more often and only give people services once they have tipped you. Rarely people tip us, and its hard for us to stay up to par with the rest of the economy, because we are getting ripped off. Lets create a NEW MOVEMENT and raise the overall price for our services.
USE THE /DENY COMMAND FOLKS! Solidarity rocks!
I propose all entertainers help each other as the most peaceful proffesion, do not let people get a free service.
ENTERTAINERS SHOULD BE WELL RESPECTED AS THE ONLY ARTFUL PROFFESSION ! ART IS NOT FREE NOR CHEAP.
OLE!
Amanda143
Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:47 am
#3
Only problem is there is no deny list that you can view to take them off.
Ikewe
Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:26 am
#4
You are kidding right? Patrons should be forced to tip Master Entertainers but not other levels - are we now creating second class entertainers?? Sorry, I will never, ever forcepatrons to tip in order to be healed.
Ikewe, Master Dancer on Shadowfire
EzekielWithAHat
Sat Jul 03, 2004 2:51 pm
#5
But.... Art is free..... that's the point of it. It transcends physical presence..... and anyway, you'll never get away with trying to charge every person who watches you, you're an entertainer, you WANT to be watched, otherwise you're an idiot dancing alone.
Vermicious_Knid
Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:25 pm
#6
Do a search on "doctor's union" and then do one on "crafter's union".
600 pages of reading later, hopefully you'll decide to save yourself the headache.
Unions only work if you can completely control access to services. In the real world, they have governments to force people to deal with them.
In game, one of two things always happen:
1) Existing members of the profession realize there's now a large unserved market, and serve it, so you get no business.
2) New players realize the same thing and become the class you're trying to unionize ("scabs"), and you get no business.
Either way, you end up trying to deny services right next to people who are happy to provide them. You lose.
This would be particularly ineffective for the "real" entertainers because most people use buffbots anyway. You are already unhappy with the tendencies of the playerbase to seek out AFK healing and buffs. Doing this would only solidify the position of the AFKers, or the people who can play an alt and toggle over to heal or buff a customer when they get a tell or an email.
If you think people have no concern for the plight of the ATK entertainer now, a feeling you can confirm instantly by posting a thread complaining about buffbots in any non-entertainer forum, you'll really dislike what you get on the off chance this works.
I don't mean this as an insult,I'm just letting you know from experience that it most likely won't work. I'm also a doctor and I've seen this before, many times. Unions in game just don't work, and particularly in such a small class as the ATK entertainers.
Message Edited by Vermicious_Knid on 07-04-2004 09:28 PM
Message Edited by Vermicious_Knid on 07-04-2004 09:30 PM
Xyrdre
Sun Jul 04, 2004 7:56 pm
#7
I have to say... the Knid is right. There's no way to control all entertainer healing and buffs, so at best unionizing becomes a radical protest group. Your heart and thoughts are in the right place, but I don't think the results would be as desired.
Rrowann
Tue Jul 06, 2004 2:07 am
#8
Entertain me, and I will pay you.
I always pay the people in non-grinding cantainas (anything but Theed and Coronet) because someone is always there. Even if I come in to Theed or Coronet and look around for non-AFK entertainers, I can't tell if people are ATK or if they've just got the AFK tag turned off. No one greets me, no one is friendly.
If I am /greet-ed, even, I will watch you and pay you. But if there is no sign that an entertainer is there, then that's not really entertaining, and I'm not going to pay.
As an ID, I've always found that the more I talk to people, the more I socialize, the more I make people laugh and enjoy themselves during that 10 minute stat migration wait, the more I am tipped. It's not always easy, but it almost always works.
Entertainers are not Medics. They're there to entertain, not just heal for money. Please, please, please make me smile when I see Poplock2 or hear Starwars1.
brentgueth
Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:52 am
#9
Sorry I've always been against /deny since it was first implemented. Once you explain to me how I can play a trumpet in an enclosed room without specialized extra equipment where everyone except one person can hear me, then maybe we can talk. Yes it is just a game, but as a part time roleplayer, and some who believes in customers first, I can say with fair cetainty that the ATK guild 'm a part of on Intrepid is out.
LeProfesor
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:20 am
#10
The point is for us entertainers to be heard by the community of players and developers. I understand the different sides of why /deny is not well acccepted by folks and why people who aredenied will just go to another person. The idea here is to spread the word because if no one does anything about it, then nothing will happen.
Have any of you done anything for the entertainer proffesion to make it better?
Do you enjoy entertainers BF abilities? well ther are people playing this game that only have one account and thats all they can do. Entertainers are abused because there is not much for them to do. They are only effective in cantinas 100% and AFKers/ alt accounts ruin the proffesion that should be appreciated.
ART is not free, who told you that, maybe low-end material, anyways where have you ever heard a famous musician/dancer give shows for free? All good art is expensive and well regarded. People who say art is free have no respect for this hard to come by skill.
I would love people to pay an entrance fee to cantina where this is shared amongst all entertainers. The %s are divided based on level of skill. Entertainers would use the register command to be part of this. There would have to pay also a member-status fee, also based on the skill level to level things out. " TIPS " is considered something "extra" you get in any business. a tip is not what you get paid for getting fully healed after being cloned, or griefed or what ever you wanna call.
DEVS hear us out!!!!!
Thank you
LeProfesor
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:23 am
#11
LeProfesor wrote:
The point is for us entertainers to be heard by the community of players and developers. I understand the different sides of why /deny is not well acccepted by folks and why people who aredenied will just go to another person. The idea here is to spread the word because if no one does anything about it, then nothing will happen.
Have any of you done anything for the entertainer proffesion to make it better?
Do you enjoy entertainers BF abilities? well ther are people playing this game that only have one account and thats all they can do. Entertainers are abused because there is not much for them to do. They are only effective in cantinas 100% and AFKers/ alt accounts ruin the proffesion that should be appreciated.
ART is not free, who told you that, maybe low-end material, anyways where have you ever heard a famous musician/dancer give shows for free? All good art is expensive and well regarded. People who say art is free have no respect for this hard to come by skill.
I would love people to pay an entrance fee to cantina where this is shared amongst all entertainers. The %s are divided based on level of skill. Entertainers would use the register command to be part of this. There would have to pay also a member-status fee, also based on the skill level to level things out. " TIPS " is considered something "extra" you get in any business. a tip is not what you get paid for getting fully healed after being cloned, or griefed or what ever you wanna call.
DEVS hear us out!!!!!
Thank you
Highlighted implies - entertainers also must pay a fee to use the premises. This brings more focus in the cantina environment.
brentgueth
Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:44 am
#12
LeProfesor wrote:The point is for us entertainers to be heard by the community of players and developers. I understand the different sides of why /deny is not well acccepted by folks and why people who aredenied will just go to another person. The idea here is to spread the word because if no one does anything about it, then nothing will happen.Have any of you done anything for the entertainer proffesion to make it better?Do you enjoy entertainers BF abilities? well ther are people playing this game that only have one account and thats all they can do. Entertainers are abused because there is not much for them to do. They are only effective in cantinas 100% and AFKers / alt accounts ruin the proffesion that should be appreciated.ART is not free, who told you that, maybe low-end material, anyways where have you ever heard a famous musician/dancer give shows for free? All good art is expensive and well regarded. People who say art is free have no respect for this hard to come by skill.I would love people to pay an entrance fee to cantina where this is shared amongst all entertainers. The %s are divided based on level of skill. Entertainers would use the register command to be part of this. There would have to pay also a member-status fee, also based on the skill level to level things out. " TIPS " is considered something "extra" you get in any business. a tip is not what you get paid for getting fully healed after being cloned, or griefed or what ever you wanna call.DEVS hear us out!!!!!Thank you
I can think of a garth brooks concert on the capitol mall in washington that was free a couple years ago. Actually there has bene quite a few at the rock and roll hall of fame also in cleveland.
Beyond that what I have I done, I have started (with other members) an ATK enertainer guild, some of our members get 50k tips since they know we do not AFK - the flip side of that is Intrepid seems to be one of the smallest percentage of ATK performers - but we make do with our small guild.
Do I enjoy the healing and buffs - well I usualyl perform at the star port or at player events so it doesn't mean as much to me.
Ikewe
Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:23 pm
#13
I think many entertainers have been working very hard to "educate" the player base and game developers. For my part, I have added information to my character bio - which from the comments I receive ingame is fairly effective - and I always keep my Master Dancer tag on and willoften stop whatever I am doing to provide mind healing or mind buffs when I get tells or spatial chat requests. There are a variety of ways we as a group can bring about change but I personally do not think the idea of forcing players to pay is going to make that change a positive one. I know that I do not appreciate the 1 credit entry fee placed on structures that house vendors for example. It's only one credit but the whole notion behind paying to enter a building when I have no idea of the quality of what is inside - or in the case of vendors if there is even anything inside - is not something I like to support. I believe that with the proposed "union" allwe will end up doing is driving players into private homes with either heal/buff bots or secondary characters that are placed simply to provide free services.
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