Entertainer Archive

Thread: Repairing the Damage...

ArthurP
Wed Jun 02, 2004 6:40 pm
#1




I read Drygo's comments buried in another thread, and felt they deserved wider audience. This thread is NOT about AFKing.. but about addressing the core issue and a discussion on how to go about fixing it.



...Back when I first started dancing, my perception is that it was *easier* to find an entertainer to buff you. Not everyone may have that experience, but it was mine. But, as soon as the hologrind and the afk went into full force, I noticed a mass exodus of live masters leave the Cantinas because the environment became so unpleasant. This brought about less people to be able to buff you, and then more people decided to create buffbots. I just don't think you can really blame this on the "real" entertainers. After all, if people didn't do the annoying things that they do while they were afk, you may very well still have all the masters in the Cantinas on a regular basis and have no need whatsoever for the buffbots.


My fear though, is that when the hologrind is over, so many masters will have left or dropped, or so many people will have gotten use to the afk'ness and the buffbots, that our professions will have been ruined past the point of no return. If the afk'ness had never happened, we may not have had the need for the plethora of buffbots that we have now.



Believe me, if there's such a thing as "self esteem" in this game, the current entertainers are at an all time low. And that's why we appear to lash out from time to time. We feel so completely undervalued at this point precisely because of the afk and the buffbots that we have all but given up. I truly believe that if there was a place for us again to provide these services and we felt like people really appreciated the atk'ers you'd find more of us there to provide your buffing needs. As it stands now, many of us wonder why we even bother trying to play when we can't even use our own buffing skills on ourselves, and the buffing skills we have for other players are no longer considered useful due to the buffbots.


We are at point of transition - if we are to believe that the hologrind is coming to an end. It is my belief that we must fix the problem ourselves. We - meaning entertainers who are in it for the fun and social aspects of the profession. This will not be done by those who say, 'can't' or think it's too late. We can only move forward if we pick our chins up and quote the famous phrase, 'The show must go on'.


First of all, the above letter does a fine job of pointing out the real problem. The hologrind ran thru our profession like a Rancor in a China shop - leaving everyone feeling pushed around, bruised and even dejected. With the hologrind, the devs devalued an already under-valued profession - they took tips away from a low-income group, and de-socialized THE social profession in the game.


You can't devalue and de-socialize a SOCIAL profession an NOT feel the effects for sometime to come. Already low-income, and undervalued - the only draw was the social aspect of the profession. It is not debatable that this has happened, and having been around before the hologrind and after - I do not believe it is debatable that the Hologrind is the cause of great damage.


What can we do? What MUST we do?


I own a little cantina that is the hub of our player city. I suggest that all remaining entertainers migrate to player cities and player city cantinas (find some in the middle of nowhere) and set up shop. I have had MANY MANY people stop into my cantina and be pleased and surprised to find an ACTIVE, fun cantina where they can get a rid of some BF, get a good buff and have a pleasant conversation. Players WANT cantinas to be what they used to be - and guess what - only WE can create that atmosphere. Move to a player city cantina and fulfill your destiny!


I know many will tell me all the reasons this can't be done. I don't care to listen - because I'm here to tell you it CAN be done - I did it.


If we fill the player cantinas long enuff, we will restore value to our professions. We will be working on HOME turf - away from the damaging effects of the hologrind. This will allow us to reintroduce ourselves to our customers away from the noise and clutter. When the hologrind is done, and the large cantinas are empty, people will learn what they have been missing - and we can then reclaim our rightful place as a valuable profession. In the meantime, we can help to build up several player cities.

Message Edited by ArthurP on 06-02-2004 06:57 PM



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Kagura
Thu Jun 03, 2004 11:33 am
#2

I am constantly greeted with suprise by those who expect nothing but afk entertainers. Pleasant suprise, even in a cantina where the other 2, 3, 7 or more entertainers are AFK. I talk to people, and they appreciate it. True, tipping has suffered, even for buffs, but I do buffs fairlyregularly and generally the tips are good. I am seeing a fall off in AFK entertainers, and I think Buff Bots will eventually go away. What I don't like is hearing, "Oh, I have an alt that buffs me." That is going to be around for a long time, I think.

Player Cantinas, where they are in a position to enjoy steady traffic, are definitely a possiblity. But some of them, you don't see ANYONE for hours at a time, and playing to an empty house is the pits. So, it is a bit problematic in many places.

Still, good observations. It *IS* up to live performers to retake the profession, with charm and grace.

I have no sympathy for the AFK musician grinding away with little or no flourishing, and will not hesitate to change the song to one they cannot play. Such play equals boring music, and gives non-entertainers a false impression of what it is all about.


Keep on Rocking!


Ramala, Eclipse, Tatooine

Master Entertainer, Master Musician, Live Entertainer.



"Ouside a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read . . ."
ArthurP
Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:10 am
#3

I think we really face a true "Catch-22" situation with player cantinas:


No (live) Entertainers = No Customers = No Entertainers = etc.


To my way of thinking, it is we,the Entertainers, who must - and CAN turn that cycle around.


When I placed my cantina on Lok - yes LOK... It was empty. Our city had JUST started and while we had MANY active players, hardly ANYONE inhabited it.


Not only was I the owner of the cantina, I was also theup and coming mayor, so I sent out a questionare asking why ppl didn't live and work in our City. They all basically said the same thing: Lok was too hostile, too far from where they did business, too expensive to travel to and from, too... you get the idea.


I'm stubborn. I continued to live and work in our brand-spanking new 'ghost town' and did what I could to encourage others to do the same. I played in the cantina - even created a little mythos surrounding it (www.TheBanthaPooDoo.com - read the Legend of the PooDoo).


Eventually, I started noticing that our city was not only becoming lived in by our residence - it was quite the tourist spot for people across the galaxy. Today, we are well known, and loved - and The Bantha PooDoo gets oohs and awws from visitors each week for being what everyone thinks a cantina was supposed to be in the first place.


Things ARE broken to do no fault of our own - but with hard work, patience, and creativity, we CAN fix it!



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Now Playing in the NEW Bantha PooDoo Cantina
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Xyrdre
Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:13 pm
#4






ArthurP wrote:



I'm not against the fast grind, but I am saying that it kinda goes against the spirit of a real-time game. People DO get burnt out on the game - whether they are grinding Master Muscian or Jedi - because they too, forgot to breath, live life and have some fun along the way. Just because we CAN grind fast, doesn't mean we SHOULD. If you take a short-cut, expect a shortened appreciation for the achievement.








Bravo! I only wish that more people would realize this.





Deila Karlossi , Blue Glowie of Dancers, and become more powerful than you could possibly imagine...
ArthurP
Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:08 am
#5


I, personally got my degree at the 'Theed Music Conservatory' then set up shop in my lonely town - then saw it grow. After being on Lok all this time, I have had more than a few people grind their xp here. Yes, they've taken 'night classes' in big cities.. but they enjoy the social fun feel of our city more.


It can come down to a balanace between GRIND and LIFE. In RL, things take time. We may WISH we could get instant education or job training to be a Doctor or Nuclear Scientist but these things take time. Those who WISH can max out on college credits and rush thru it in a shorter time - but just like in the game - they suffer from burn-out, because they forgot to breath, live their life - and have some fun along the way.


I'm not against the fast grind, but I am saying that it kinda goes against the spirit of a real-time game. People DO get burnt out on the game - whether they are grinding Master Muscian or Jedi - because they too, forgot to breath, live life and have some fun along the way. Just because we CAN grind fast, doesn't mean we SHOULD. If you take a short-cut, expect a shortened appreciation for the achievement.


What suffers?Cities suffer - which means our fellow citizens suffer - which means OUR CHANCE for social interaction suffers - which is truely all that makes this game unique.


In the end - we must help turn this game around by reviving the social aspect of the game - and creating active, social hubs in cities- or we won't. At that time the game will become just another shooter - and ppl will drift away to other more exciting shooters where they dont have to worry about others.


Let's do our part to make SWG what it was supposed to be.



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Now Playing in the NEW Bantha PooDoo Cantina
in Beautiful, Historic Kestrel City, Naboo

ï Now with Mayor Power ! ð


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