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Thread: Entertainer Top Issues November ~ February

LeBob
Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:39 am
#1




The Correspondents were just asked for our Top Five this past week, so I thought I would start a fresh thread for the next quarter.
This is based off of Tiaga's thread linked in the next post.



  1. Unattended gameplay

  2. Entertainers need content

  3. Entertainer missions need more fun and more pay (especially for masters)
  4. Master Entertainer has nothing for Image Designers and little for Dancers
  5. Planetary registration for player owned cantinas is useless due to bugs FIXED!

Please review these and post here if you have an issue with these issues.

Message Edited by LeBob on 01-08-2005 01:52 PM



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LeBob
Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:40 am
#2






Message Edited by LeBob on 11-13-2004 10:56 AM



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"Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy."
-I support ATK people and playstyles.
Account cancelled as of June 23, 2005

fett3041
Sat Nov 13, 2004 8:57 pm
#3

Looks good.





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Tiphaine
Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:40 pm
#4






LeBob wrote:


Make /denyservice a permanent list like /addignore instead of having it vanish at server restart.






I say replace /denyservice with /addignore. If I put someone on my ignore list, I certainly don't want them benefiting from me. This would also make it easy to manage the list and would not require adding any new panels.



Tiphaine
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BrandonIT
Tue Nov 16, 2004 7:58 pm
#5


Yes, if nothing else, replace the /denyservicewith the /addignore. It's silly that our blacklists won't persist...


The rest of your two lists looks fine to me.

Message Edited by BrandonIT on 11-16-2004 09:02 PM



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Echinacea
Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:04 am
#6

I know, I know, I'm being nit-picky and I won't even be here after next weekend anyway. But that doesn't mean I don't still care about the professions.




LeBob wrote:





The devs also asked us to post our issues in order of ease of fixing. This is what I came up with.

I had to come up with this really fast, and while I did read the feedback thread Tiaga had up, I may have not gotten everyone's opinions from the forum community. If I left something out or if you disagree with something here, please let me know.


  1. The spelling of one of our instruments is inconsistent. Fizz and Fizzz. Please pick one and make it consistent.

  2. ETA or at least a priority statement concerning the Hutt Casino would be really awesome.

  3. Omni Box / Nalargon can be moved by any player. Entertainers playing one of these are often harassed by someone moving their instrument. Please disallow everyone but the owner and people in one's group from doing this. Group mates should be allowed to, because this may be necessary to allow the feature of up to four Entertainers to play the Nalargon at once (which already exists).

  4. Higher payout on Entertainer missions.

  5. The Force Sensitive bonus should be for BF and not Mind Wounds. Mind wound mods are easy to get since these can be looted and made by BEs. BF healing mods can only be looted. Mind Wound healing mods are very inexpensive compared to BF healing mods so almost everyone is already maxed on MW healing. MW healing as a FS bonus is of very little value considering this.

  6. Only five Entertainer/Musician instruments have unique sounds.

  7. Make /denyservice a permanent list like /addignore instead of having it vanish at server restart.

  8. Some Enterainers want the ability to heal BF in a camp.

  9. Buff Bots - Remove /join and /invite until an Entertainer revamp can properly address our issues with this in full.

  10. The Master Entertainer skill box provides nothing for IDs and little for Dancers.

  11. Player owned cantina planetary registration bugs. This makes it very difficult for players to reliably find Entertainers.

  12. Wookiees and others have no self ID ability until eye color at ID2 which makes earning xp tough for them while starting out.

  13. Various player owned theater bugs.

  14. The ability to self buff. There is the issue of using this to get xp too quickly, but it is still unfair.

  15. Unattended gameplay. SOETyrant has assured us this will be addressed soon after the CU.




1. It's spelled "fizzz" in the books I've seen. Please make it consistent with existing Star Wars spellings outside the game.


9. Make /denyservice work from the /addignore list. I've been lobbying for this since I found out about the command.


11, 13 & 14.Here's where I'm going to be a nit-picky pain in the tush: theater/cantina issues, registration and buffing issues need to be left to the elite class correspondents to handle. All of those skills are not actually in the Entertainer tree. (Though I think it would be entirely appropriate for registration and the placement of a theater to be in Master Entertainer.) I realize there probably aren't many of them, but there must be Entertainers who aren't elite performers. Yeah, I'm totally butt-retentive, but I would think that, since there are correspondents to handle issues that are solely in the realm of the elite professions, concerns from this end would be more appropriately focused on purely Entertainer issues.


It's okay, LeBob. You can hate me. Tons of other people do.


10. I've got a ton of suggestions for this that should be easy to code: give Master Entertainers the ability to place a player theater. Give them some or even all of the holoemotes that Hairstylists get in ID, just not the All one. It's actually a higher investment of points than just Novice Entertainer -> Hairstylist -> Novice ID -> Expert Hairstylist. Add +10 Battle Fatigue Healing (Music) & (Dance), or even switch out the Wound Healing for Battle Fatigue Healing. As pointed out, we've got too darn much Wound Healing as it is. Give Master Entertainers Planetary Registration. Give Master Entertainers the ability to use droids with lighting effect and playback modules.


Incidentally, how are you guys supposed to know how easy it is to fix things? They're the bloody coders.




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LeBob
Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:16 am
#7

Thanks Echinacea.


I am including 11, 13 and 14 because I am in agreement with Tiaga's statement here:


Fatigue healing is as much an entertainer thing as planetary registration is. You don't get a bonus to fatigue healing until novice musician and dancer. In truth, there are very few issues which are true entertainer issues. Most belong to the elite professions. It is just how the base professions are. So I try to stick to issues that are either true entertainer issues (Like master entertainer stuff) or effect multiple elite professions (Like planetary registration).




Thanks very much for your feedback, and I hope your return to SWG some day.



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Emperor Palpatine (from "Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith"):
"Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy."
-I support ATK people and playstyles.
Account cancelled as of June 23, 2005

Shorrim2
Fri Nov 26, 2004 10:03 am
#8

I disagree with number nine. I am frequently bandleader while playing the Nalargon (first person to the cantina gets the best instrument ;p) and need to be able to invite someone without targetting them.



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LeBob
Fri Nov 26, 2004 11:11 am
#9

It can be done... you just have to be quick.

Thanks for the feedback though.



SWGEntertainer.com
Emperor Palpatine (from "Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith"):
"Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic. Do what must be done. Do not hesitate. Show no mercy."
-I support ATK people and playstyles.
Account cancelled as of June 23, 2005

lekkuboogie
Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:18 pm
#10

How about giving Master Entertainer a unique Image Design ability, maybe holo-emotes only they would have *shrug*. Or Possibly a more bright and varied pallette for the few hairstyles 'accessories' that can already be changed, only a master entertainer can give you flashy ponytail clasps? Essentially just expanding options of already exsisiting things, but unique to ME, it is after all, not an 'elite' proffession... so it needs to have some 'pizzazz' factors.


Just a thought.



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SerkLightstalker
Mon Dec 06, 2004 9:02 pm
#11






LeBob wrote:



The Correspondents were just asked for our Top Five this past week, so I thought I would start a fresh thread for the next quarter.
This is based off of Tiaga's thread linked in the next post.



  1. Unattended gameplay

  2. Entertainers need content

  3. Entertainer missions are broken
  4. Master Entertainer has nothing for Image Designers and little for Dancers
  5. Planetary registration for player owned cantinas is useless due to bugs

Please review these and post here if you have an issue with these issues.


Message Edited by LeBob on 11-13-2004 10:59 AM



In my opinion, fixing the missions and adding content would solve a majority ofthe AFK play issue. When I started Entertainer, I tried a mission. I had no clue what I was supposed to do for how long or for whom. I thought to myself "OK, a 200 credit payout for doing something that they don't even tellme how to do. Why bother." Better instruction and higher payout would solve the discouragement that leads to AFK play. A profession that isn't entertaining becomes a grind to reach a goal...and if it can be grinded afk, then they'll do it. But if it's made with content and purpose and made to be entertaining, more will play atk.




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warrenbassist
Tue Dec 07, 2004 1:28 am
#12


Entertainer Mission Terminal Broken since as long as I can remember-- I hope they fix this issue soon. Would be nice to be put on an equal playing field as combat profs.


Content-- Do something like allow entertainers to get hired to play in Jabbas palace, Star Destroyer, or RebelCorvette.Maybe the last two are a bit bigprojects but Jabbas shouldn't be too tough since it is already in the game. Tipping NPCs may be interesting, since I don't have much faith in the live population.

Message Edited by warrenbassist on 12-06-2004 03:30 PM

Selandria
Wed Dec 15, 2004 4:45 pm
#13

Probably too late to get this "wish list" item in, but here goes:


Add an option to disable the "you perform a flourish" system message. This self-spam really drives me nuts. I divert system messages to their own tab so they don't completely fill up my spatial tab. I colour code tip messages, yet with all the self-spam from "you perform a flourish", I often miss them. Then you get the "did you get my tip?" questions and have to go scrolling back through the system tab to try and find it, appologizing all the way...


Also, with the current problems in keyboard queue handling when the game lags, and the lag/freeze-up generated whenever a system message is displayed, as a fast typer I have been getting increasingly frustrated chatting with people because of all the errors that have to be fixed. Eliminating these messages would be a HUGE improvement in my play experience for that reason alone. I know there is an option to disable displaying system messages as an overlay or whatever they call it, but then I miss out on any chance of seeing when someone has tipped me. And, maybe it's just me, but when someone tips you, you thank them...


This really is a useless message 99% of the time. I KNOW I have performed a flourish. Please give us an option to toggle it on and off. Make it a new /toggleEntertainerFlourishMessage command (similar to the /toggleCombatTaunts they added for pilots) so they don't have to spend a lot of effort to add an option to the Options user interface tab. Maybe I am nieve, but this sounds like it should be a very easy "quick fix" item, especially if doesn't require a change to the Options user interface tab.


Oh, and for clarity's sake, the "your band performs a flourish"variant of this message should also be disablled when this option is toggled.



Selandria
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