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I think a nice design tweak would be implementing a small line of text that says, "[so and so] tips [entertainer X]. It's simple and it lets others not that this guy or gal is a good tipper and might remind others to do so. I think listing the tip amount might make things messy, as we all know dancers can rake it in compared to us musicians, but a little one-line "Marth Daul tips Jolo Kencha" would be a good thing.

Opinions?

jolo

This sounds like a guilt device to make others tip. I think when the entertainer stops and says "thank you X" that lets everyone know he was tipped, but not how much.

I have one guy who tips very well and I say hi to him when he enters and talk exclusively with him while he's there. and I thank him when he tips. I hope everyone else in the cantina can tell that he and I are exchanging more than words there.

I'm not sure that is a good idea either. Some people receive manymore tips than others and it could cause resentment among entertainers. Also, I think if people want to share how much they get tipped, they can do so in the group chat.

I think people are getting better with tipping as it is. I've been making a few thousand a day and I have never asked for a tip.

And it really doesn't matter if it a musician or a dancer. It seems to be whoever is more advanced and who socializes the most gets the most tips.

Tipping is also dependent on thebands size and the size of the crowd. When I want to power dance for experience I head to the galaxy hotspot on Tatoonie but to get good tips and be able to interact with the crowd heading home to Naboo works best for me.

As a note I think that it is extremely unrealistic of entertainers and medics to expect to be able to pay for all of their training soley through tips at this point in the games economy. It's fairly easy to take an hour and make 5k or more doing cross planet delivery missions that's what the fighters are doing

/agree with Nainye to a certain extent. Although I don't know if it's realistic or not to rely on tips right now (go ahead and if it makes enough for you then by all means,...) but running a few cross planet deliverys is fast cash. I made 4k in a few short shuttle trips and a few rebel faction points to boot. I swiftly spent the cash on clothing and went back to the cantina where I heard a couple musicians complaining about not enough money to train for novice musician.

Take two hours off and make some cash for training.

I don't want others to know how much I am tipped! LOL If its that 5 credit tip from the guy who hates poplock2 or that huge 3k tip from the guy who likes my hot pants, I prefer to keep all that under wraps.

I do make a point of thanking each player who tips me outloud. I want the crowd to know that these people are generous and appreciate our entertainment. I also thank medics and doctors who send us heals.

BTW, tips are getting better as players are earning more money.

Yikes! You didn't say show the amount did you? Next time I see you, you can throw a pillow at me for not reading your post carefully.

That's ok Cael. No, at no point, did I say the text should read - "so and So tips Jolo 69 credits"

I don't think that would help anything. I just think a device that lets the audience know that "so and so tipped Calera" might be helpful. Still I can see the points being made here about that maybe not being the best thing.

The posts have made me think about my original premise from some new perspectives.

Yes, we should all say "thank you" when we receive a tip and I try to do so whether it's a 30 cred tip or a 500 cred tip. If it's less then 30 I don't though, I just target them and nod.

"Tips are getting better" Maybe, not in my neck of the woods, though truthfully I travel so much I don't have a "local scene." With regulars and recognition come higher tips, so in this respect I have only my wanderlust to blame. But I'm still gonna hold tight to my premise that dancers get better tips then musicians. Is this bad? Nope, it's just the way the world works.

Tips should pay for training even if they don't yet, although this probably still follows the real life arc of lesser trained entertainers need ing a "day job" running missions and higher demand musicians and dancers being able to name their price to play.

Personally, Jolo is a money-grubbing musician with a real hunger to be famous, even if his player just digs sitting around periodically pressing buttons and chatting with folks for hours on end.

He likes competiting with others to get patron's attention, to make customers laugh and make them tip. He has no problem morally in "winning" a tip from a patron that was being courted by another entertainer. It's a competitive world out there and that's why Jolo would never really be into an automatic /tipgroup function thing.


jolo

i really think that the best way to handle this is if you, the performer, thank the tipper. An automated message or even a message in general incourages lazyness and depersonalization of the Entertainer class. I don't need to hear how many tips the guy next to me who shouts "Tip Me!" every other minute is getting.

*shrugs* but then i'm a roleplayer. they should just lock us all away on one server.

You've changed my mind. I no longer think a "tipping message should be seen by all"

The cincher for me was that Darwi said it will make entertainers lazy in saying a simple thanks and 'ppreciate the tip. THe last thing we want is lazy entertainers on stage, I suppose that's almost as bad as somoen on stage who is blatantly AFK in the middle of their "performance"

Also I felr that the point about using it as a guilt tool to make others feel bad for not tipping is valid. Not that I think everyone should be made to feel good all the time in a game like this, I don't, but it's more destructuve then constructive to rely on tactics like this.

So thanks for your eloquent arguements. I feel different about it now.

Now, if we can all just come together on this /bandtip idea, which I oppose.


hehe

jolo

I really doubt there will be a band tip, at least not one that cannot be turned off. As I stated in another thread, this was discussed and discussed in beta and overwhelmingly, the entertainers did not want it. Combat guys did because it made life easier for them. Having it as an option might not be a bad idea....although I fear then players will not interact with us as individuals anymore. But who knows....

/agree
The bandtip needs to be toggleable by the leader so we can keep from splitting when we don't want to.