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I am new to entertaining. I am the group leader of 20 in coronet cantina. I am dancing. Last person to join would like everyone to play rock so that the can join in. Now, rock is all that I can play too... how do I change what everyone is playing without getting them to stop?

Ihave this bad feelingthe answer is going to come back "you can't"... Please tell me I'm wrong...

You're not wrong. You have to be already playing to /changeband. So the only way around what you're talking about is to get someone else who's playing to do it, or do /stopband and then /startband rock.

Trouble with doing /stopband /startband rock is that everyone will be music animated bugged, and will need to move and restart playing to continue receving exp

Also doing /changeband when in the group and playing, will make a non playing music player start playing again, but again be music bugged as above.

but as this is the only way to get a band to play what you need, to be able to join in. make them aware that your going to /stopband or ask then to /changeband 1st.

Its a great profession, I hope you continue to enjoy it like many others.

Love aurra

I was on TC, and I was a band member, not band leader.. and all you have to do is type /change then a box will come up and you select the song that you want all the other band members to change too!

Good Luck

I am an experienced entertainer group leader having had full groups several times now. One thing many people don't seem to realize is that using /stopband can be quite irresponsible. This command stops every musician in the group, then if you start a song that they cannot yet play they are screwed, they cannot start playing another song, so if they are afk you have done them an injustice because they completely stop gaining experience and do not contribute to the group either. If they are not afk, they will have to leave the group, start the song they can play then rejoin.

I suggest that you discuss this with the group first and check each musician in the group after that to see if they are playing, if not you will have to lower the song level until every member is playing. Doing otherwise is selfish and can get you kicked out of a group for being disruptive.

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Stormsoul wrote:

I am an experienced entertainer group leader having had full groups several times now. One thing many people don't seem to realize is that using /stopband can be quite irresponsible. This command stops every musician in the group, then if you start a song that they cannot yet play they are screwed, they cannot start playing another song, so if they are afk you have done them an injustice because they completely stop gaining experience and do not contribute to the group either. If they are not afk, they will have to leave the group, start the song they can play then rejoin.

I suggest that you discuss this with the group first and check each musician in the group after that to see if they are playing, if not you will have to lower the song level until every member is playing. Doing otherwise is selfish and can get you kicked out of a group for being disruptive.

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it is they who do the injustace playing afk not you for making it more fun for you who are atk to level

I personally dislike /change because it's unmusical. What real band abruptly changes songs in mid-measure, mid-note? Real bands finish the song they're playing, bow, wave, tune their instruments, and start a new tune. At the very least they stop and then directly segue to a new song. Shouldn't we play real songs, with real beginnings, middles, and ends?

Apart from that, when I was leveling up, I didn't feel any obligation to help AFK'ers do the AFK thing. I /stopped deliberately and started a new tune to reward the live musicians. The AFKers can easily defeat that tactic anyway; they just need to throw in a /startmusic line into their never-ending macro.

Sometimes I rue the day that the devs allowed any macro function into this game. I didn't even add a music macro until long after I'd made Master Musician.

yesterday i was group leader of 20 at coronet, a guy had his macro with /stopband /startband, he did it several times before i kicked him. Gah and then all the afkers aren't makin music, and so I tried seeing if I could fix the horrible bug. I'm glad to say I successfully fixed it, hehe. But i forgot the way to fix it, sorry. =( All i know is it involved changing the song many times. =P

/changeband does work. and anyone in your band can use it (overuse it and you are most likely to get kicked)

the only bug i've found is when i /startband i sometimes don't start playing for real if I'm leader

i've made an alternate musician and i played in a band with 2 afk musicians. one of them kepted stoping after a while so i stoped the band and restated her music. i but anyways i used /changeband alot it's anoying to play the same song over and over. unless you are not listening.

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Stormsoul wrote:

I am an experienced entertainer group leader having had full groups several times now. One thing many people don't seem to realize is that using /stopband can be quite irresponsible. This command stops every musician in the group, then if you start a song that they cannot yet play they are screwed, they cannot start playing another song, so if they are afk you have done them an injustice because they completely stop gaining experience and do not contribute to the group either. If they are not afk, they will have to leave the group, start the song they can play then rejoin.

I suggest that you discuss this with the group first and check each musician in the group after that to see if they are playing, if not you will have to lower the song level until every member is playing. Doing otherwise is selfish and can get you kicked out of a group for being disruptive.

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I always check with everyone in the group before stopping and starting something else. I also always use stopband then start individually, since startband and changeband both have their share of bugs. If nobody objects to a change in music, I go ahead and change it.

Besides, better they aren't playing for a bit until a song is picked they can play than they become bugged and can't play the rest of the night.

I have found if you are using startband, a changeband to the same music immediately after it seems to get around the bugs.. But I'm not confident enough in that to use it.

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NewJedi wrote:

I personally dislike /change because it's unmusical. What real band abruptly changes songs in mid-measure, mid-note? Real bands finish the song they're playing, bow, wave, tune their instruments, and start a new tune. At the very least they stop and then directly segue to a new song. Shouldn't we play real songs, with real beginnings, middles, and ends?

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Have you never heard a medly? Howabout the intro to a musical? bands do switch straight from one song to the next. Granted Sony could have done a nice transition bit to play for /change just like the wind down that they have for /stop.

'course I gotta agree the transition for change as it is is really bad. I still use it because ifI don't invariably some looloo with a macro (or just impatient) will start playing sw1 beforeI can start it again

From New Jedi:

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What real band abruptly changes songs in mid-measure, mid-note? Real bands finish the song they're playing, bow, wave, tune their instruments, and start a new tune. At the very least they stop and then directly segue to a new song. Shouldn't we play real songs, with real beginnings, middles, and ends?

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Just to be the devil's advocate on this statement: go get some Frank Zappa tapes. His band changes styles abruptly and live as he gives hand signals to them. It's really cool the effects it has.

I"m not suggesting everyone should be using /changeband in SWG tho. Zappa didn't use this technique all the time, and overuse would get absurd. But the precedent is there IRL.