Entertainer Archive
Thread: Revision of /deny (main revision of /deny)
How about instead of typing /deny to people
How about everyone is on /deny and the dancer will have to /allow so they can be wacthed by the client
This will stop 'afk' macroing healing xp; it will help dancers that are not afk to get tips by providing healing.
In turn this will solve alot of problems in the Entertainers profession. Insted of /deny, it should be /allow
The problem with /deny
So if Starwars Joe starts insulting you, you put him on /deny, he stands up and click on another entainer and starts wacthing a Healing bot (afk dancer)
Benifits of /allow
It will still allow us to 'afk' for dancing exp. it will give entainers more tips because they're providing a service. (unlike now because it's free healing) When people get put on /allow, the entainer should be able to get credits for his/her service.
I /sign that /allow should be in instead of /deny
I'd rather not see this.
When I'm dancing, I'm talking up a storm. I chat with people in game and also deal with tells. In some cases, I have to compose a quick in-game e-mail. So, I have a lot to pay attention to.
If a message box keeps on popping up while I'm doing my talking, then this really cuts into my entertaining. How can I entertain the masses if I forget what they said easily because I have to click on a message box?
I'm all for discouraging AFK macros, but I am opposed if it causes problem for the rest of us.
A periodic message like surveying is not so bad, though.
I prefer /deny over /allow. Some of us are just WAY to busy as it is to have to [Target Person] /allow [Target Person] /allow [Target Person] /allow so everyone in the cantina can benefit from us. It would significantly cut into how we could chat with people, not to mention those of us who don't use macros and manually do flourishes.We'd have to try and CONSTANTLY move the view to see who we may have missed and individually /allow each of them, as well.
i love the idea.. maybe change it to hire.. with the group leader in charge of accepting the "jobs" this can be rotated through the group and have it so that all "tips" are split with the whole group so that even the new guy who is on the eternal starwars one.. or tripping over her own feet all the time can still get a lil income. Tips would actually become just that a tip not a main source of income to a solid non combat class char...
im really tired of every class but the ones that heal and keep everyone up and running get to set their prices for services (and usually way to high) its time we had the same option...
There is no way in hell I want to sit in the cantina on a busy night and /allow the hundreds of people that come in there...
Hijo wrote:
There is no way in hell I want to sit in the cantina on a busy night and /allow the hundreds of people that come in there...
If such an idea were implemented, I would cease to entertain for others. I'd burn my skill points down to Novice Entertainer with some skills in Entertainment Healing so I can heal myself when I suffer fatigue.
If I want to play "Pop-Up Killer," I would make more money doing that by crafting hundreds of experimental scout blasters. Better yet, I could go visit a few web sites and not pay $15 a month.
And some other entertainers would leave the profession too, I'm sure. Thus, people would have to go spend 15 skill points to learn Novice Entertainer for themselves and not need the entertainers who are too busy and too infrequent to take care of everyone.
I just started a n entertainer on kettlemore... i have played it for about 6 hours total. my highest tip has been 100 cr and i have made 500 cr total. Tell me how is a new char supposed to getany moneywith tips like this?I never go afk and interact with just about everyone that walks in.Im having problems getting trained cause all the other entertainers are afk... and i dont have the cash to pay fortraining.
I made this character to be soly an entertainer i love the classand had to give it up on other server due to needs for my guild. I think that the hire commandwould help tremendously with those not only starting but with those who have been playing for a while.
And in rl i play in a band (thus why i like the entertainer) and guess what as much fun as it is to play.. i bust my ass to get gigs and negotiate pay. If i tried to live of tips i couldnt pay for my equipment the travel expenses orfor that matter the beer i drink when i was playing lol.So to those who will quit becauseyou will lose AFK performing or thinkits to much of a hassle oh well. As of now we are loosingDrs due to the fact that no one tips...as of now we are gaining a huge amount of entertainers that dont interact with people cause they are AFK. I would rather loose them and those to lazy to hit accept payment than leave things as they are. I would rather see teh cantinas packed with conversation again and a novel thought DRs in the medical building again than having a cantina of zombies who cant interact cause they are not there and the all to empty medical centers now.
Entertainer has become a very lazy field to play.. and it should be one of the hardest working classes...
Entertainers are becoming lazy, I agree. So the solution is to give them ways to make money without having to leave the cantina? I don't think so. Use up some more of your skill points, pick up a gun, and go make some money with destroy missions like the other 90% of the population does. If you don't like combat, then make some instruments and sell them, buy some harvesters and just sell raw materials - there is always a need, heck take up artisan and work on a second class, go run some delivery missions, take some nearby entertainer missions... there are tons of ways to make money without needing a command to force people to give it to you. On top of all that, people still pay the good entertainers tons of money. Yes, if you are still playing newbie songs (i.e., if you've only been an entertainer for 6 hours) you probably will find it hard to make much money - but what do you need a lot of it for if you are still a newbie? Newbies shouldn't be wearing the best clothes available, they shouldn't necessarily be able to afford houses, and they almost never have to pay for training if they have at least a little bit of patience. And if you DO have to pay for training, 1k takes about 15 minutes of delivering to get, I think anyone can spare that.
Anyway... I don't macro. I think AFK'ing an entertainer is next to watching paint dry on the fun meter. But if someone else is prancing around the cantina in their tutu with (AFK) over their head, what should I care? I make it clear that I am not afk... I make tons of tips as soon as I start playing and greeting. Tips seem to me to be directly proportionate to your level of experience as a musician, and rightfully so. Some of you I think need to get some decent music, learn to switch instruments and songs quickly... learn to entertain, if you will. After you've done that, come back and tell us if you aren't making money... but you will be.
PS- what does this have to do with Drs tethorn? /chuckle According to some of the /deny activists, doctors can already force people to tip them. Oh yea that's right - people tell doctors to go to hell when they try to force people to pay them... oops.
tethorn wrote:
I would rather loose them and those to lazy to hit accept payment than leave things as they are.
Lazy, eh? So when someone disagrees with you, it has to boil down to character assassination? Never mind the fact that the people most opposed to this idea are the ones who keep track of multiple conversations and flourish timings already and work hard and perfecting them. So yes, they’re clearly lazy because they want to keep their commands and threads straight.
Try this experiment the next time you play.
First, perform in a busy cantina.
Ask an entertainer to grind Image Designer on you. By this, I mean that an entertainer alters your image but changes it to the same color/style as before. You simply have to click on the "Accept" button every time, and the entertainer gets ID xp. Keep this up as long until the ID is out of mind and then restart when he is recovered.
Start and maintain conversations with at least four patrons.
Start and maintain banter with at least two performers.
Stop dancing long enough to move away from a patron who shoved his face in your crotch or to teach another performer a skill.
Extra bonus points: Be the group leader and invite everyone who asks or starts performing without asking (because he’s role-playing a character who doesn’t wish to intrude).
If you can do all of this while the ID window keeps popping up and maintain all your conversations and patron management for an hour, then you are a much better entertainer than I am, and you are already swimming in tips, so this feature wouldn’t even benefit you.
I already work hard at entertaining. A feature like this would crank up the amount of activity to Lucille Ball levels.
There is a reason that I allow an image designer to grind on me only if business is slow or I don’t feel like making money. While I’m willing to do this for a fellow entertainer from time to time, I’d hate to have pop-ups every single time I dance. Once every 10 minutes or so (which I understand is similar to surveying) is fine with me, though.